Hydro can be used with organic nutes 🤦‍♂️

Not all PGR is bad, you’ll find a ton of growers using organic PGR like seaweed. Your claim that they are all safe is crazy though, some synthetic PGR have been linked with serious health issues.

Yes, I'm sure some have been linked. Smoking have been linked to serious health issues.
People vaped Vitamin E that have killed many until it's been figured out.
There are always bad apples but they are not the standards.

Sorry to say this info is completely wrong. PGR's used to grow weed force the plant to concentrate growing bud over leaf and stems etc, thats why the bud looks so abnormally large. PGR's are not found naturally in soil and have nothing to do with hydroponics, you can indeed have a completely organic hydro grow and you could also use food that contains PGR's in your soil grow. Also, you will now see many UK based plant food manufactuerers actually write "PGR free" as there have been studies linking PGR's to cancer.

From humboltseeds about pgr:
"They are often sold as nutrients, growth boosters, vitamins and hormone enhancers, that can be applied through foliar feeds and root drenches."

They buff up your plant and yes you can use them in soil but it isn't needed since the soil feed the plants with nutes while in hydro you must add the nutes no exeptions.

Abnormally large buds will grow on outside plants with plenty soil space where they can spread their roots freely. You can find videos of plants the size of a smaller house with buds the size of a human head.

I think the confusion is caused because the term 'organic' in food production is a protected term which means no fertilisers or pesticides were used in its production, not just that it is grown in soil.

Sorry I wanted but forgot to touch on the pesticides part which is a very important point.
So the long story short in a well controlled indoor grow environment you do not need to use any harmful pesticides because there's no bugs attacking your plants. This applies to both soil and hydro methods whilest growing outdoors is a constant battle against mites and buds eating your precious babies.
So organic still applies to indoor soil grow and to me at least implies no use of harmful chemicals but some places still add "with exceptions" statement at the end of their explanation:

"Organic foods are foods that are grown and processed using government-regulated farming methods. Organic farming and foods use: No synthetic fertilizers or pesticides (with exceptions)."

"Organic food is produced without artificial chemicals, hormones, antibiotics, or GMOs. It may have more nutrients, antioxidants, and omega-3 fatty acids than non-organic food, but the evidence is mixed."

This info about pests and pesticides is also completely wrong. Pests attack inside just as much as outside, and no growing method will stop this. Most growers use sprays up until the last few weeks of flower or as most organic growers do, they use predatory bugs to eradicate pestes such as spidermite, thrips, hops, springtails etc etc.

Sure they can infest an indoor grow which is why I added "in a well controlled enviroment". An honest good grower will throw away an infested room and sanitised it before restart. I've been there done that we never used any sprays. It can be done in a well controlled enviroment.

Spider mites are the number one reasons growers use indoor pesticides they literarily leave cobwebs covering your plants!

PGR’s were originally manufactured for industrial tomato’s growing industry. And have not been fully tested on the growing and consumption of Cannabis!

They are known to be carcinogenic best stay away if not growing tomatoes on industrial scales!

Please don't post claims without backing them up. Thank you

Reading this tells me you haven't got a clue about growing weed, the pictures above shows two different buds one whats been through a trimming machine. Pgr's have got harmful chemicals in them, using nutrients isn't pgr, pgr are used to bulk up the buds to get a higher yield.

Absolutely clueless. 💯

My apologies I only grew on large scale for a decade so I have limited knowledge.
They are literally plant grow regulators not only used to bulk up the buds but all the way through. If they were harmful as you claim they would be banned from the shelves.

And yes they are sold as nutritients because that is what they are.
Once again there are exeptions but soon as they found out they are removed and banned from the shelves.

Pretty sure there’s even natural PGRs that can be used that don’t exchange quality for size

What an absolute load of nonsense.

"back then was grown in hydroponics (this grow method uses PGR)"

Back then? Hydroponics is still one of the most advanced types of growing, under neo grow techniques such as Aeroponics etc, but it's hardly a 90s phenomenon like Brain Adams ffs!! And NO, Hydroponics simply means water based, or without soil, more specifically 'hydro' meaning water and 'ponos' meaning labour.

H20 (or water) is pretty organic last time I checked.

"I'm not a doctor or anything"

Well, thank God for that.

"...but I beleive it's safe to say that PGR weed is just as safe as organic weed."

You have no real understanding or what either 'PGR' or 'Organic' in relation to cannabis cultivation actually means. There are many nutrients that could be classed as plant growth regulators, some natural, like PK 13/14 (phosphorous and potassium) or you might even say that seaweed and molasses "regulate" a plants growth and hence could be a "natural" PGR.

This is entirely different to synthetic chemicals, such as paclobutrazol and damizonode which are banned in the production of cannabis in California, and used heavily in the production of cannabis in South East Asia, in particular paclobutrazol, a carcinogen which produces very dense buds with little or no sugar leaves.

"My apologies I only grew on large scale for a decade so I have limited knowledge"

If that's the case I'd apologise to anyone who paid for your weed...

Never read such a load of jibberish than your posts on this thread. Stop pretending to be something you're not, because eventually you'll get called out by people who actually know what they are talking about.

Holy shit! I mean, we knew these were widespread but now kids getting ahold of them and thinking they're weed?.... this is absolutely horrifying. And one vape contained traces of heroin too??? Honestly, with all the damage that spice can do, it shouldn't be a class B. It's like strawberries and arsenic being in the same category of food. If the UK government had ANY sense, which, when it comes to drugs, they do not, they'd reclassify spice as a class A. Hopefully that'd deter dealers from selling it in "weed vapes" and it'd almost certainly save lives. THIS is the true danger of cannabis... contaminated products and products sold as THC that actually contain none of it. The best thing we can do, as people who know this, is to spread the word and to NEVER buy a "weed vape" from an unknown source.

“ The best thing we can do, as people who know this, is to spread the word and to NEVER buy a "weed vape" from an unknown source.”

Wouldn’t that be a bit hypocritical coming from us Biggas who buy untold numbers of these these things on here every single day, often from vendors who have just popped up and without any idea where the products originate or what’s actually in them?…. Just sayin’….

Yeah, you've got a point, but I still think we've got a responsibility as consumers to make sure we know what we're buying as best as possible. As in, we should probably avoid "cali" carts with really thin liquid that's strong enough to knock out horses and maybe some edibles (the classic sprayed nerds ropes) altogether. With bud, if we don't know the source, it's best to get a cheap microscope and inspect things closely. Globs of pesticides/insecticides are sadly pretty common nowadays, and some bud has some pretty damaged, tiny or messy trichomes which could indicate PGRs, bad handling or even that someone has tried to sift the heads before selling it. And with hash, we can do the burn test and the hot water test, which are pretty unscientific but give you an indication of whether you've got clean product. So, I definitely see your point, but I still think it's partially down to us to choose reputable sources, inspect things ourselves and, if a product doesn't have a rating yet, to only buy stuff with less chance of contamination (again, probably avoid untested vapes and commercially produced edibles). And if we get a bad product, we owe it to the community to call it out. There is only so much we as consumers can do, but I think what we can do, we should do

Most do 20-25kg per person. Fernando hauling 6 peoples runs in 1 is crazy.

Jesus. This has hit me really hard. I’ve been smoking weed for 30 years. 11 weeks ago I had a huge (tennis ball sized) lump pop out of my neck. Dr diagnosed me as having an infection of the parotid gland (saliva gland). Antibiotics for a week, lump hung around for a month.

Had an ultrasound scan 3 weeks ago, turns out it’s a tumour 😞 Stopped smoking that day. 30 years crashed down on me during that one 15 min appointment.

Was immediately put in the NHS suspect cancer 2 week pathway. Had an FNA (biopsy) and an MRI scan 2 weeks ago. Here I am, awaiting the news. Avoided googling the shit outta this, then stumble across this post. Blown me away a bit. I mean, we all know smoking isn’t big or clever, but this has been the biggest wake up call of my life, obviously.

I am part of a very reputable profession, married for 25 years, 4 kids. The works. Here I am, absolutely petrified waiting on a phone call.

Long story sorry. Thought I’d share tho.

I hope you get some positive news mate.

Sending you SO much love, best EVER wishes, and healing vibes 🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍

Praying you get the good news, Stay strong brother no matter what the outcome keep your head high.

Wow, life can be so cruel.. wishing you the best mate, hopefully a positive call..stay strong

Is the tumour in your parotid gland?
I had one in 2006. Turned out to be a pleomorphic adenoma- the most common kind. Thankfully it is benign and was out and touch wood I’m all good except I have a scar that makes me look like I was a ruffian in my younger years

Wow. This is fascinating for me to read. Thanks for sharing Asaddd.

They mentioned the possibility of a common type, that would need removing even if benign. I didn’t take in the name tho. Like I touched on, I’m (usually!) a rational person, but I haven’t googled anything about this. My wife has tho, a lot, she works within the NHS and has spoken to people in this field. We have an unspoken understanding atm and not really discussing it at all. Her mum passed away very young with a cancer in her neck, I know she’s in bits about this. This is breaking me inside.

It’s a weird limbo we’re in, just waiting for the test results. Should be this week by the looks. My gp phoned me Thursday just gone and explained who is looking at it and where, and the process of diagnosis.

The thought of facial surgery scares the bejesus outta me, but the thought of it not being malignant makes it more bearable.

I pray to god/ the universe you do have the benign type.
You do sound rational I think it’s a good mindset- one step at a time.
Please can you post updates?
I’m sure myself and many others here care enough to want to know. Wishing you all the best wishes in the world my friend 👊🏽

Thoughts are with you mate, I know it's easier to say than do but stay positive, Its been beaten before and will be again💜💚

Bud, I can only imagine what you're going through. Stay strong and here's hoping for good news. Sending positive energy your way.

bigg bigg blessings to you!

Fingers crossed for good news.

Thank you for sharing your story. Try and keep your head up, just make sure you act on the doctor's advice and do so quickly. Please keep away from smoking anything at all now though mate, for you and yours.

Thanks FJ. I am doing exactly this. It’s not been any effort either tbh.

Much love to you catt and heartfelt thanks for sharing your story.

May I ask for the benefit of all of us - do you only smoke weed or baccy too?

Thank you Ike.

So I have smoked weed with tobacco for these 30 years. Smoked cigarettes in the 90s, early 00s, then rolling tobacco. Never a ‘heavy’ fag smoker really, but a heavy joint smoker through (weed and tobacco). Bought a mighty vape last year in an effort to kick my combustion habbit. Used it twice as I really didn’t get in with it. Not smoked anything since my scan that confirmed a tumour, 4 weeks ago. Never found quitting so easy. Currently enjoying the benefits of not having a dependency of any sorts for the first time in my adult life. Felling a better dad and husband for it tbh.

Used a lot of chemicals in those 90s/00s years and have had an ‘unhealthy’ relationship with alcohol since covid, which I have got on top of over the last 9 months.

I mean, that makes sense.. I don't think anything is really *supposed* to be combusted and inhaled. I know so many people already preach and I don't just wanna be another one, but dry herb vapes truly are a great way to consume. Bud lasts longer, tastes better AND you get avb to use in edibles at the end! I'll still be bongin' and spliffin' it up but it's great to have so many options nowadays

No doubt dry herb vaping is almost certainly way better in terms of health risks than smoking (I also do it as well as edibles). On the other hand, the research on the health risks for dry herb vaping is still extremely limited. Inhaling hot particulates (which still happens with vaping) tends to be no bueno for health.

Very true. We're still kind of in the infancy of cannabis research. We know the long term effects of cigarettes and alcohol but, with the legality of weed over the years, we've still got so many unanswered questions about it. And dry herb vapes really haven't been around that long either. I just hope that we get some conclusive answers in our lifetimes...

I think carts are going to prove a massive roadblock for cannabis development and freedom because of growing health concerns. WithTHCA, D8 & D10 workarounds these are available all across N.America now and the demand is huge with consumers able to puff through 1ml carts or more every single day. Chemical contamination is rife. These things ARE addictive. California is reporting rapidly increasing needs for specialist pulmonary treatments amongst all ages and new clinics are opening rapidly.
Its just the tip of the iceberg...

No doubt.

I also wonder if a large part of the emergence of cannabis hyperemesis syndrome as a thing can be linked to heavy usage of carts and concentrates. I suspect it's usually It's hard to get sufficient THC to cause those symptoms from plain old bud.

I wouldn't be surprised at all tbh, 900mg of pure THC every single day cannot be a good thing. Plus there's no entourage effect with disty carts, which is good for some but I personally think the other terps and cannabinoids are what "makes" a high. Even so, rosin/live resin carts must still have 70%+ THC a lot of the time. Overconsumption is the worst thing anyone can do with weed imo, stay within your limits and enjoy it! Don't just get to an 11/10 high all day every day

Mimosa 🤮😂

I was going so say mimosa, no matter how good it is, those orange terps remind me of burning rubber. Strange.

So glad I’m not alone in hating mimosa terps. The first time I smelled/tasted it, I genuinely thought the weed was bogus. Like it had been artificially flavoured with something nasty. Then when I got good mimosa it was the exact same terps. Not for me like.

I’d say Stardawg too, just because it was fuckin everywhere and was normally sub par.

I like Mimosa for the effect and I don't mind the taste. I am not keen on some of the other strains that taste similar like Tangerine Dream so I can see where you're coming from. Citrus strains can be hit and miss on the terps front.

I think Mimosa is the only strain taste wise that lives up to the hype. 90% of weed tastes to me exactly what it is- heated vegetation. All the “mouth watering “ descriptions completely pass me by…occasionally I get pine bathroom cleaner but heyho…
So I tend not to chase flavours at all and just go for effects, and I love the effects of a good Mimosa. I might have mentioned it😉

I hear you, I’d say I’m less of a flavour hunter too and more just looking for ways to encourage variety. I’ve definitely been let down by mouth watering descriptions a lot, but at the same time been surprised a lot too. I’m not really sure how much truth there is in all this supposed terp nuance either tbh…
What I do know is that I absolutely love a traditional stenchy, skunky, weed flavour. Not even sure what it’s called. We’ve spoken about the vomit vibes before haha, I want that shit! Smells like Mother Nature’s entire raw effluence.

“Smells like Mother Nature’s entire raw effluence.”

🤩😂🤩😂- what a line!!

Preach! Innit - where’s the stanky pungent slap in ya face skunk at? Miss it, used to get my hands on some proper stuff about 12yrs ago . Must still be around somewhere

I definitely taste different flavours. And Mimosa makes me sick 😂 Saying that I usually taste weed as it smells until I’ve smoked a couple spliffs. Then it’s hit or miss. Weird 😂 That’s the wonderful thing with Cannabis. The variety is astounding so everyone and their preferences are catered for 😁

Bang on, I’m not into any tangey variants either. I accidentally bought some expensive import bud a few weeks ago that had tangey/mimosa heritage. The bud was clearly excellent in every department, probably well worth the money, but the terps ruined it for me. Just tasted artificial, almost like a nicotine vape or something. Different strokes and all that.

Haha, I forgot about Dawg - probs cause I don't count it as a usable option

Juice 💚 💦

Hate the taste but iv yet to find a strain that is almost comparable to taking codine for feel good factor. I’ll smoke dry straw for that

White Widow

Stuff gives me the shakes and heart palpitations. Had it from different growers at different times, it just disagrees with me.
The Brazilian sativa element is too racy and the Indian indica just melts you. It’s always an intense Indica v Sativa battle.
Usually with hybrids I get the sativa effect then it chills into indica but white widow pummels me with both from the get go and leaves me meditating to the ganja gods with tai chi breathing to alleviate me from the poisonous kiss of White Widow.

Anything with piney terps for me - just really reminds me of those car air fresheners 🤮🌲 not a fan. Dunno if I am on my own with that one lol

Lemon Tree is the strain I most dislike. I use to love a good lemon skunk or lemon haze 20 years ago. Not the same anymore.

Stardawg is like the equivalent of Lambert and butler smokes.

I really dislike a haze 👎

that's an easy answer ... any that don't get me high (normally not a strain blame, more a grower blame) ... so reckons the jackal 😎😎

That's really tough Blazin. I'm going back a bit but if I remember the flavour of ak-47 was too floral for my liking.

Once grew some Barney's Farm LSD and it tasted awful.

I did exactly the same, worst tasting strain I ever grew!

Tasted like dirty cooking oil!

Can’t remember the taste, just remember it was vile! Quite strong though!

For me it’s gotta be Rainbow Belts. Not a fan of it’s clove-y taste and I find the buzz to be muddled and racy. Just don’t like it at all.

I find it all a bit crazy how inbred US genetics are getting.

I go on Leafly to look up what I’m getting. And it all goes back to a few OG strains if you trace it back.

That’s the stuff I’m interested in to be honest.

A Gelato crossed with something that’s already been crossed with Gelato 32 times, and a chem, or a haze, but has a fancy name. Sputum Spangles. Or something. And that’s just a hybrid of Thin Mint and Chemdog.

I get it. But it’s not especially inventive and actually tends to all be a bit samey.

I’m with Mr Geeseeks about White Widow too. In small doses only. Same goes for AK47 and Jack Herer. Racy as f**k. Same with most Hazes for me. Although I do like Diesel if I’m out and about, so it’s not all Sativa heavy hybrids.. Tends to leave me with a bit of a headache though sometimes.

Yeah. Anything racy. That makes me genuinely feel like I can feel the centrifugal force of the Earth spinning. Nah bruh. I’ll pass.

I get a vibe from some strains, mainly I’d describe more indica leaning and berry types.

Makes me introspective. Can get dark. But it’s also when you swim in the creative madness of semi-subconscious which when young, or in the wrong place can be no different than a mushroom experience.

Set and setting applies with *all* consumption I think 🤔 but I have a theory that plants also pick up on the vibe of their grower + there is also just a 💩 grow, right?

Super silver haze. Smelled like cats piss and had no body high. Muscles felt restless and uncomfortable.

Way back I got some free seeds with the seeds I ordered. NYC diesel they were, so I grew them and was so disappointed, it tasted awful. Haven't really gone for diesel since. Have smoked loads of diesel cross.

Everest is another, it's not that I dislike the taste/high etc, but I find if I'm on it for multiple days then it really brings my mood down.

Not a fan of tangie / orange strains, smells straight like smelly people

I got four, and they're all because of the terrible taste -

Tropicana
Tropicana Cookies
Tangie
Tangiesicle

Top two, because I can't stand ones with a pine taste. Second two, because they taste like smoking candle wax

Never been fussed on Zkittles or Dosido either - usually because they're not grow well


Juice 💚 💦

I've not tried the Tropicana strains, but I do agree about the Tangies as I don't get on with the taste of them either.

Orange Cookies in the dam 🤮 was awful smelled like old people and tasted like burnt rubber. really didnt enjoy it. Threw it in the bin the moment i left the shop.

lemon haze; for some reason can always smell it before i can see it and it makes me instantly dizzy - icl it smells divine sometimes, but i just can't do it lol

I had a prescription for pink kush and sour tangie. Sour tangie provides good effects but smells like sick. Same goes for Sour D too

Albodawg

JACK HERER—🤢
Good one.🤣🤣

Sadly it’s one of few that actually do anything to me these days.
Marmite.
Love it or hate it ay.

Guaranteed cough.

Biscotti. Makes me too disorientated.

Update: have tried biscotti again as I was given some as a freebie and this one is a lot nicer, and no disorientation.

My latest is mimosa. Smells like baby sick.

Had some sativa dominant bit a few weeks back that was a grapefruit cross of some kind. Jeez, it was awful.

Another one I don’t like is Gelato.
It’s a palate thing and we’re all different ay.

Stardawg 100% was the only thing I could get hold of for the longest time and just absolutely sickened myself with it. Can’t stand it now would prefer literally anything else over it

Cookiedawg. Overpowering terps with low potency literally came to little biggy because all i could get was dawg variants round my area.

Shame on all of you for the Mimosa hate ! lol

Haha I fully agree with cookiedawg - one of the most vile tasting strains I've had lol, the terps just don't mix well together.

I also hated 24k Gold - it just made me feel sick the 2 separate times I had that strain.

Number one: stardawg. And all the crosses. People seem to love it, I don't.
Number two: Gorilla glue. It's strong, yeah, but seemingly at the expense of everything else. I've had nice glue crosses though.
Number three: lemon haze. This one's slightly unfair but for ages it's all anyone grew around here so I just don't care if I never see another bag of lemon in my life.
The other one worthy of note is the thin mint. I don't know what they were thinking there.

Anyway, that's me. Other people are different.

Gorilla Glue is like Russian roulette with 5 Chambers loaded.
At it's best, it is hard to better. I have had some good tasting examples but they are becoming rarer.
The genetics are laden with problems so it is difficult to get the correct pheno from seed. But if you have the correct clone (as is the case with chemdawg) and it is grown and cured adequately, it is a very nice smoke imo.

It's completely possible I've not had the best versions but also maybe just a taste or body chemistry thing where for whatever reason those strains don't do it for me. I'm unlikely to test the theory any further by buying more when there's a myriad of sweeter options at LB that are more up my street. The world would of course be boring if we were all the same.

It sure would.
And of course, you are the best person to judge your own factors.
I have had 2 different lots from different vendors on here, and they were both disappointing.

To be fair to the vendors on here I've not had any of the strains I've mentioned from anyone on LB. There's definitely more exciting strains to me available here so I'm unlikely to backtrack just to make sure I don't like it though.

My gorilla grow of 10 strains that was rumbled contained GG.
Still haven’t had it.
If a good example appears on here-please shout me someone!!
Thanks

We got some fresh zkittlez in. I really dislike haze tho just smells of roach spray honestly . Idk how it got so famous

I never liked LA Confidential or any of its crosses….far too floral tasting.

Stardawg

Dislike any orange strains personally. Also not a huge fan of gelato 41. It’s too sweet and lingers on the lips in our opinion. If you enjoy the sweeter strains then probably your cup of tea

Iv not figured out the common denominator but some strains have me feeling I can’t be arsed with anyone or anything in a none good way and like a what’s the point type feeling.

I get it with some runtz not all , had it with gg4 but not gorilla skitz. Its defo not my mood at the time either as I know that gets pointed at a lot

Gonna need an alternate explanation for whats up with you biggaz :)

gotsta be

It seems they are saying that previous studies did not control for other factors like alcohol, but doesn't nearly every adolescent mess with both?

thats why you gotta keep it on the daily :)

Next he's gonna say you can get alert without modafinil.

Can get some serious re-ignition with the right exercise and music.

Re-ignition - love this. Mediation is the last hit.

I'd heard that was caused by dirty hydro pipes but I've found personally it appears more in orange flavour strains

I used to get Trainwreck crosses, in particularly ‘Casey Jones’ around 15 years ago which smelt and tasted of turkey stuffing. Need to look for the Thai crosses

A nice sativa wake and bake with a coffee gets me set for another weeks grind mate 😂

Cold shower and a lot of McDonalds Coke dont aske me why its just McDonalds coke always does the trick lol

McD's coke is thought to be the best tasting you can get, they get it in syrup form in big wheeled barrels, all the other drinks come in containers, in syrup form too.
The McD's syrup coca cola doesn't have any of the preservatives or any other nasties found in fizzy drinks these days. just the cola flavouring.(unlike that bought in shops)
Sry, bit of an expert on things McDonalds.😁❤️

The more you know 😂

I love weed hangovers man, don’t really get them anymore unless I tank edibles. I love just floating around all morning, so never tried to get rid of it really. Although I recently tried these nootropic mushroom coffees and despite my skepticism they seem to be pretty effective, might help?

Cold shower and a pint of water, maybe a coffee. After an hour or two of activity I normally feel back to normal anyways.

CBD in any form it's cheaper to source distllate and make your own oil

Smoke another fatty