I think its more complicated than people think

If i vape Animal Mints or Obama Runtz at 180c I get sativa effects. If it vape Gorilla Glue 12 at 230c I will get indica effects. Yes smoking brings out the expected effects but the fact I can tweak the effects via temp makes me think its not as easy as indica/sativa

Furthermore, some sativas like Acapulco Gold or J1 are like a cup of coffee in the morning. Legit clear headed energy. Something like the Pink Lady is a sativa but it is more chilled. I think terpenes have a very big part to play in it. Maybe the kush terp has indica effects and that's why despite being a sativa, the Pink Lady doesn't hit like the J1 for example. I'm rambling a bit here but I hope you all get what I mean

Yep makes sense. What an amazing flower this is.

I spent close to a year living in Amsterdam. With exceptional quality buds, you can expect to receive the typical couch lock and sedation with a good Indica and a buzzy euphoric racing high with a solid Sativa.
Dr Grinspoon at Katsu coffeeshop was a pure Sativa, it was like drinking a double espresso, no ceiling to the high, it didn't roll over, one for the morning...

Apparently some Sativa's can work the opposite on some people, and can couch lock them. Amnesia Haze is a particular potent strain, whilst it's a sativa, it can deck you.

Perhaps check Leafly or Wikileaf for further advice on certain strains.

Have a good one.

Patient #420

I got the Hawaiian Haze at Katsu - don't know about up or down, but totally debilitating. Didn't want to go to sleep, sure, but couldn't hold a conversation..

There's a difference for me, stick to indica strains as sativa always seems to make the heart race and the anxiety then comes on and spoils the high. Maybe all in my head but happens everytime.

Same. I can only do Indica

same for me, and strong indicas give me this incredible healing feeling that i just don't get from sativas

There’s a difference alright.

But also phenotype and harvest time play a big part.

I've smoked 26 years, used to smoke anything and enjoy it all but now I notice a huge difference between the effects of sativas and indicas, every time I obtain an indica strain it's hugely relieving for my ptsd and post cancer surgery pains, and sativas almost always give me nasty anxiety. I'll still smoke them tho, because I'm an addict haha

I agree. Sativa is far more likely to make me anxious, whereas Indica is just a lovely, warm brain hug.

I think this is it, I’ve smoked for 20 years but didn’t notice the difference until really started to pay attention and start to use for medical rather than recreational reasons there is 0 doubt in my mind there is a very easily notiible difference. It’s natures way so everyone can be helped by this wonderful medicine, Sativa to speed things up, indica to slow things down. No one will convince me otherwise on this I’m certain if I was given a heavy sativa dom and n indica I’d know the difference within a few tokes

after 18 years of heavy daily smoking, in my experience indica + sativa are just buzzwords, mostly used by trendy casual smokers so they can "pick a side and have a favourite"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5576603/

in my experience the terpenes play a way more important role when it comes to the overall effects and experience of each strain, i've had sativa's that couchlock and indica's that are uplifting and energetic which are the opposite of their supposed effects

The science says it’s bollocks full stop.
BUT…like a lot of people I have go to strains for when I want to get stuff done and others for when the bean-bags are calling. All part of the fun! 🥳❤️

Some Sativas can give me mad insomnia.

Indica never happens.

Love sativa and coffee during the day and indica before Zzz.

I think everyone is diff though.

For me, I believe it to be true to a certain extent. I find with sativa heavy strains I feel a buzz in my head and it's above my ears. With indica heavy it's below my ears and I'm definitely more lazy. It's not a massive difference for me though. My mind tends to wander and think about more random bollocks with a sativa too. Who knows maybe it's all in the mind. All this energetic stuff I see is pure bullshit for me though. If I'm high, not much is getting done.

There are many factors that contribute to an overall feeling. I wouldn’t say Sativa/Indica is the dominating answer. That’s like saying my only expression is sad or happy... However, things get a bit more technical when you dig into it. Being able to simply explain an estimate sensation to buyers in percentage i20s80 is hugely beneficial. It helps people learn about what they’re buying, that’s not a bad thing

Seems the terpenes have a part to play, In the effect of cannabis aswell. not to mention that it seems a good %90 of strains are hybrid, you have an Interesting take non-the-less.

Alot of the time you can only really notice when it's grown properly!

In my basic opinion:

Sativa = High
Indica = Stoned

It’s all about harvest times. If you let the sativas trichromes go amber, then you might get a couch lock. Similarly if you harvest your indica when the trichromes are clear, then you might feel creative and focused;)

Seems to depend on people’s chemistry. I cannot take Sativa or hybrid strains any more. Make me paranoid and awful circular thoughts and insomnia. Indica Im easy like a Sontag morgen. I grew up with hash in the 90’s whi I think must have been mainly indica and I used to love smoking. When skunk came along it was hit and miss and paranoia used to be more frequent. Thanks to Lb I’ve been able to buy what suits me both in terms of hash and weed. Got some lovelY Northern Lights and Hindu Kush and Fanta hash which are right up my strasse.

More often than not it doesn't make much of a difference but there are exceptions. Maybe it was down to the terpenes, but...

So, I lived in Seattle for nearly 10 years and smoked on the daily and there wasn't any drastic difference in the effects of the many different strains on the go except for this one time that will forever stick with me. I had been smoking a typical kush number with dense nugs for most of the day before heading out to a place for hot wings with my mate. Dude pulls out a very straggly and wispy looking bud from Oregon, puts it into a bowl and we fire it up. Not a minute or two later that shit came on strong and cut through the Kush fog like a hot knife through butter. A rush of high energy blasted away the previous hours of smoking and we ended up high as fuck giggling like lunatics over hot wings. That's the day I realised that a real 100% sativa does exist and it's a fucking blast.

DO WANT! :D

Same although I can’t really do any sativa. Just pure Indica and a nice red wine and I’m in my happy place.

Total crap IMO..

What tests were conducted to determine whether a plant is indica or sativa?

It usually is one person who bred the strain, will smoke it and say this makes me feel couchlock or uplifting and then give it an approximate rating.

Since the rec market came into play all strains provide all effects you may desire from the plant.

Personally regardless of the weed is indica or sativa its the terp profile like for couch lock it would have to contain a good amount of mycrene to get this effect other terp profiles do different things I would imagine if it was indica or sativa and didnt have enough of the terp profile in either of them for what ur desired effect I dont think it's down sativa or indica more of what terp profile that weed carrys

There's definitely a difference in high between cultivars with the tropical 'Sativas ' generally being more energetic and psychoactive but now that everything is a hybrid , these classifications don't make a lot of sense anymore.
Also , those indica/sativa percentages are completely made up.

I too have about 20 years experience smoking different strains, including solids. I normally smoke 'bud' though.

The last solid i smoked had hardly any effect on me at all - it used to make me really 'horni', 20 years ago.

However, i do notice a difference between Indicas and Sativas. I do a physical job and an Indica strain does take the aches & pains of old age away, for me personally.

Ive had one particular Sativa that did make me run around like a headless chicken... lol

I've smoked, vaped, eaten it for over 50 years. Travelled around most of the producing countries of the East & Africa in the 70s. Grown much and spent time with several breeders too. Indica, Sativa and Ruderalis are real. A zillion hybrids confuse the Taxonomy thse days.
Read some of the definitive texts/history rather than rely on rumour, hearsay, forums ( like this one!) and you will be well informed - recommend a start with Robert Connell-Clarke""Hashish" PDF easily found on the web. 8)

I think this is a really interesting topic.

Literature (e.g. https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-319-54564-6_4; https://www.researchgate.net/publication/322819487_Cannabis_Taxonomy_The_'sativa'_vs_'indica'_debate; https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/full/10.1089/can.2015.29003.ebr) disputes that the two are categories of weed with distinct effects, not least due to interbreeding and two hundred year old taxonomical confusion. I'd probably agree with this.

But if this was 100% the case, then why would so many people (myself included) claim to feel different effects with indica strains vs sativa?

One option is placebo - obviously a very powerful mechanism and I'd like to see blind trials about this.

My current theory which I've been thinking about a lot recently is that it's due to terpenes - as they are widely believed to mediate the effects of cannabis, is it possible that some are more prevalent in indica strains and others are more prevalent in sativa strains?

Obviously exploring the entourage effect and terpenes in cannabis, and even research involving cannabis in general, is a relatively new field so I'm excited to see what we find out in the next decade and beyond.

The interaction between terpene levels and cannabinoids is most likely the explanation for the perceived differences between indica and sativa.

A lot of sativas have little to no cbd, cdb affects the way thc acts, a lot of sativas have lemon, orange or citrus terps which seem to be the more uplifting and eurphoric terps, so sativas having an uplifting effects but being more likely to induce anxiety makes sense given terp and cannabinoid profiles.

Yep, that example with sativa strains often being limonene dominant is what I'd noticed to get me thinking about this.

It's funny though because indica dom strains can make me para which is contradictory to the typical assumption that sativa = anxiety. Obviously everyone is different and will see different effects but it would be nice to know about contributing factors.

We really need to see more research on this; it's honestly surprising that it's so under researched as the medical applications (esp for mental health) really demand understanding of these issues.

I don’t know really. A lot of it is down to the grower and how good they are. That has the most influence on affect for me.

Hey Family,

It is not as both have different highs and affect differently on every individual. Some prefer Indica or some prefer Sativa , its basically what they body and mind likes. We have topic on this and link is included in post.

Peace and Respect

Indica strains are the "Netflix and chill" of cannabis, known for their sedative effects that can leave you comfortably glued to the couch. On the other hand, Sativa strains are the "let's paint the living room" of cannabis, renowned for their uplifting and creative effects that can get you off the couch and into an artistic frenzy. Am I hitting the right notes here?

Interesting post, I have been thinking the same myself recently. Been smoking 20 years and I have always seeked out indicas as I preferred the couch lock but I have recently been trying to try a few sativas to try and get more of a creative high. found nothing yet, any suggestions on a strain if not just looking for a sativa?

I generally dislike pure sativas and hazes, but super silver haze is the exception for me, I've really enjoyed that many times worth considering have seen some listed on here

Dr Grinspoon, Sour Diesel, Ghost Train Haze, Mimosa. To name a few Sativa's. I spent close to a year living in Amsterdam, and I definitely noticed the difference. Sativa's or hybrids, will leave you buzzed, so best to only smoke these either morning or afternoon. Save the indica for late night, or a day on the couch with TV.

Depends. Sometimes I’m too bombed to even remember to have sex. Other times (if I’m on the Bubble Hash for example) I am driven to do filth that wouldn’t have occurred to me otherwise. 🙈
Individual experiences vary I guess…
Maybe it’s why the other half keeps hiding my Bubble Hash! 🙀😂

hi, lets talk more about this filth you speak of.....

Oooh careful of what you seek, some things cannot be ‘unlearned’….🫣

It can enhance it definitely, but if you're getting blasted every night, I can see why you wouldn't want to bother.

you wanna chop that plant down before it spreads

Should I just chop it all or only this branch? It's not spread yet but like I said it was coming down by the weekend anyway

All

I will do.

Looks a high amount of nitrogen in there too. You know bud Rod as you gently pull on a leaf and it just comes away

Maybe looks like too much nitrogen but could be due to a very low temperature when lights off here in Scotland. Cold temperature's turn leaves dark purple apparently.

What causes too high nitrogen?

Feed usually

Too much nutrients. In the late flowering you want to slowly cut down nitrogen

High humidity, not enough dryback periods, high nitrogen, more moving air? Theres quite alot of things that could trigger it. But if you cut away affected areas and dont see it climbing up or spreading then its a good sign of recovery, if its still climbing/spreading then the plant is a goner and its too late to recover.
Hope this helps

Yup. Bud-rot. Get ruthless with the pruners and reduce humidity.

Sorry to say, Definetly looks like rot, can spread quick once spores release, You can get neutralising spray to deter it from spreading however its best to be cautious to not ruin the rest of your crop especially as your onto flushing it's too late.

Agree with Nero, Cut it down & remove it ASAP!

Hope the rest of your crop is looking good!

The rest looking good. I'll chop this branch and start the flush. It's coco so hopefully a couple of days will do

Amen! Keep an eye on the rest of your crop during flush & hanging too to be extra cautious.

Extra tip if it's a big enough crop, Please let it dry sufficiently before curing & bagging hate to see this stuff turn in curing.

It looks fire though! 10/10 on looks

This is only my 3rd grow. How long should I ideally dry then cure? I didn't cure much before but smoke was still good

In my opinion curing for 3 weeks minimum is perfect, However this ranges from plant to plant.

Drying however should be around a week, However this is the key part of the process, Make sure the room is warm with enough NEW air constantly circulating & old air escaping.

Seen enough people make the mistake of heat with no air, Which actually creates more humidity leading to further rot.

(Warm room with new constant flowing air & I reccomend you trim before hang due to how much moisture is already present)

I’ve always trimmed before I hang to dry (only grown a couple of times), can you normally do it after drying? Does it make it easier when dry? Most tedious part of the process…

Completely forgot to mention!

Grove bags at the end of curing are the ONE! keep that dank from moulding up!

Thanks pal. Was waiting til the trichomes on the bud started showing amber before flushing but that's now out of the question. They started going amber on the leaves tho so hopefully still be good smoke?

No worries mate!

Will still be a good smoke, surprisingly it usually just makes for a trippier high when the trichomes haven't changed to cloudy amber, alot of people usually mistake this for a stronger high.

Keep your head up mate! It looks 👌

Yep

It certainly looks like bud rot from this image

The biscotti is fire as always biggas get it while you can! thank you Pistach for brining this bad boy at such a fair price :) top bud with a top stone!

My bit of biscotti that got ordered and "sent" on Monday, RM still saying "waiting to receive from sender" on Thursday. I'm thinking it just still hasn't been sent yet. Not great for $11 NDD 💚💦

ooof yup thats a bit of a pricey NDD innit, I always use the free option hopefully will land for you soon mate, give them a nudge!

Already did that, just gonna have to wait til I get the option to dispute

Exactly the same for me too. Ordered Monday, RM tracking saying the same for me. Printed the label but hasn't sent the package, bet ya. Rubbish for $11 NDD. Hopefully we get something to compensate.

Any sign of yours yet? It's Friday now and mine still ain't been "scanned in" by RM yet

Nah RM just get the blame, but this only happens when things ain't been sent.

If you don't have a fan you're asking for all sorts of issues especially in our humid climate. They're very inexpensive just grab a generic oscillating one from Amazon. You also need to keep an eye on your environment, get a hydrometer and dial in your RH.

Cannabis plant need air movement to produce solid stems and buds. First of all buy fan and hygrometer so you will know what humidity you got in your tent