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BigRoo
by  BigRoo
Let's talk about buying your first electric dab wax pen extract thingymebob
Dithering:
I'd been looking at options for dabbing concentrates for ages. Polly Puff had recommended an Ace Cup a while back but it didn't seem as portable as I wanted and also like it may make more vapour smoke than my little ol' lungs could handle. It's an expensive bit of kit to invest in if I ended up not liking it. So I did what I usually do when I'm unsure: Nothing. Nothing at all.

Commitment:
Recently I decided to finally commit to buying something cheap and simple to dab with just so I could see how it was. Crikey - it's a minefield. There is too much choice. Too many different options, all with a distinct angle on how dabbing should work electronically. There were more shapes and sizes than an Ann Summers catalogue. This also confusingly included a lot of differing technical terminology making direct comparisons tricky.

I think the pen I have is a wax pen. I have no idea if this is actually distinct from a dab pen and if it is, I've no idea why it is or what the difference is.

A wonderful discovery:
This shopping mission did however introduce me to a wonderful chunk of the internet that I didn't know existed. And that is the cannabis paraphernalia reviewers on YouTube.

I saw quite a few wonderful dab equipment reviews where the reviewer takes a few blasts on the device and becomes instantaneously too spangled to say anything useful about what has just happened.

You'd see their spaced out eyes staring through the camera calling out for help. But while their useful words were sparse, the frozen rabbit-in-headlights look was actually a good marker for equipment performance in this instance; their eyes so glazed over it reflected the dazed world they were in almost enough to see into it.

I probably shouldn't condemn them too much as most of my own topics probably read like that too for the exact same reasons.

What did I buy?
I ended up buying a Utillian 2 wax dab pen. The reviewer said, after taking a blast on it, "oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah," before taking a long pause to think carefully what he would add to this but still only managed to add another, "oh yeah." I couldn't help but want a device that could reduce my vocabulary to that of a 1980s Casio calculator and was sold immediately. Oh yeah.

Utillian 2 wax dab pen:
It's a little pen that comes in a storage box a bit bigger than the footprint of a credit card but much fatter, so it's easy to transport the pen without destroying it.

Inside the box, the pen is in two bits which magnetically stick together. It's all magnetic which is pretty cool and simple. There's a charger and dab tool in the box too.

It's got 4 different voltage / heat settings and uses two little coils in a chamber where the extracts go. Was 40 quid from a seed shop online. Did I do well?

In use:
In use, I like it. But I've nothing to compare it too. My lungs won't take a big hit on normal bongs or pipes these days so I only have little but constant puffs on the thing but even that can still be a bit harsh for me. It does get me super stoned though.

There's a bubbly attachment available for it so I might give that a go. It certainly makes extracts go a long way compared to rolling them in a joint.

Thanks:
Thanks for reading my topic. I doubt that you've learned anything because I largely failed to but hopefully it was briefly entertaining.

I would like to better understand dabbing extracts and the best equipment so if it's your bag please jump in and educate me and possibly other folk on LB.

LB Community Help:
What do you use for dabbing / smoking extracts?
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Dhokha
Nice write up mate, I started with the AIO Coil King pen which looks quite similar to the one you’ve got. I enjoyed it at first but over time it was frustrating as you can’t clean it after each dab and the flavour while it started great quickly diminished.

The pen I got and the AceCup recommended by PP are made by the brand Crossing (Chinese manufacturer), which works in tandem with Divine Tribe (USA designer) to design amazing products and they have a direct UK supplier Recommended Vape Supplies. They offer a Lightning Pen that has a small chamber that is easy to clean between dabs and will provide a better experience, but I have skipped this tier and went to the Divine Tribe v5 atomiser which is used on a box mod (Pico25 I have in the pic) which is levels above the coil pens! This atomiser is used in their other all-in-one products like the Core 2.0/2.1 (their Puffco Peak) for people that prefer less customisation and more pick up and go.

You can then get a bottomless banger for this atomiser for use with any of your glass rigs, you can customise the fuck out of it with all sorts of bubbler attachments, different size cups and the list goes on… what a great rabbit hole to be stuck in 😮‍💨

Divine Tribe has an excellent d/iscord, a ton of information about the products and u can see how people are using them (check pinned comments in channels)
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BigRoo
I've already tried cleaning mine and can confirm it was near impossible to do properly. As you say it's constantly tainted with whatever the last extract was.

What's a bottomless banger? It's this exact sort of stuff that made me dive at what looked the simplest option!

Puffco I have heard of and noted their high end thing was top of most recommendations lists. That was too much cash for me as a starter system.
Dhokha
The Crossing Core 2.0/2.1 is only £150 and the replaceable parts are much cheaper than the puffco parts too!

A bottomless banger is something the atomiser would go in (via the open bottom) and attaches to a glass rig - in the picture I attached the yellow outlines a box mod (battery that powers the vaporiser, the orange/red outlines the atomiser and the white outlines the bottomless banger which lets vapour go into that glass rig.

The box mod I bought was £30 from France called a Pico25, the DT v5 atomiser itself was £53 but comes with an extra heating cup which can last a year or more.
+3
Dhokha
Here it is with a “Hubble Bubble” bubbler for a smoother draw. Right now I’m using a vinyl tube/whip and it’s fine but most prefer it through water. I went with this option as I can have it discreet and portable (like my first pic next to dab pen) or I can hook it up to all sorts of gear in the house and it’s as good as any e-rig.

As you said all the info made you dive into the simplest option I would recommend the Crossing Core 2.0 or 2.1 (only difference is one has a rebuildable heater for cheaper maintenance) as they really are just great out of the box and requires no fiddling, very easy to clean and there is some customisation available when you are ready! The AceCup you’ve been recommended whilst good, is an older piece of tech compared to the v5 generation of products from Crossing.
+3
DeadRabb1t
The ace cup is actually a newer device than the divine tribe stuff but I wouldn't recommend it for dabs only carts

Polly is edge case scenario on it
+1
BigRoo
What's the difference between the box mod and the 510 cart pen batteries I have? This thread is lengthening my Christmas wish list!
+2
simonsez1808
The Motar 3 is essentially very simple. A quartz bucket with an electric coil on the outside of the bottom. Meaning that all you concentrate is heated up in glass. There are terp pearls (see Google for a good explanation) and a mouthpiece. You set the box mod to deliver the right wattage (from the atomiser maker), drop a dab of wax, rosin, badder or really any concentrate in it, press the power button for up to 10 secs and a dose of THC vapour gets delivered to you. I've tried waxes works fine. Good quality rosin (for example from Eddy's Hash Bar) is excellent. Hash, in theory, is good, but in practice I find it too easy to overheat and then I get an off-flavour. To me, anyway . YMMV, of course 😉
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Dhokha
Up to 10 seconds is crazy for dabbing. Check out mods that are compatible with ArcticFox/RedPanda for autofire and your experience will be much better!
+2
Dhokha
While you can technically use any 510 battery with the v5 atomiser, you want access to specific settings to dial in your temps correctly. Based on the resistance of the heater cup (every one is slightly different) you will adjust some values to reach a specific temp, tested with a cotton bud where your product would be, colour of the cotton bud at the end determines if you need to increase or decrease settings - you only do this once per heater cup and as mentioned they can last a very long time.

The box mod I use (Pico25) is also compatible with an extremely convenient software that once loaded (plug into pc, run program, very simple instructions available) will provide you with an “auto fire” function that will keep the cup hot for a predetermined time so you can enjoy your dab without having to remember to press on for 10 seconds off for 2 and repeat 😂 it all sounds very complicated but honestly there are great tutorials and people available to help
+4
Toking
Puffco are releasing there new pen the pivot this month looks really good
+3
sydbarrett
Looks like the Puffco Pivot is going to be the killer device in this space.
+2
Toking
Looks killer got a glass adapter as well
+3
azman
I started with a yocan evolve plus xl which is a cheap way to try. Not a bad device but quickly upgraded to a core 2.1 erig. World's apart the core is a workhorse, easy to use and keep clean and delivers every time.
Catsbananas
Oh man, I can relate to your Dithering paragraph. I always assume most people say to themselves: I want x so I will buy x right now today. I’m more like: I want x, x looks good… should I though? Yes go for it… but do I really need it?…no…yes…erm. Etc. repeat a million times. About 6 months later I end up buying it!

As I only dab occasionally I have a similar pen to you that’s already being mentioned, the Lightning Pen from RVS. Brilliant. Smooth tasty vapour. Easy to use/maintain. You say a bit harsh in the Utilian? Never tried but I find the LP really smooth.

One day I may upgrade but I’m happy with this set up for now. Enjoy your pen! Cheers :)
Comfortablenumb
Hey man, great read the dab paraphernalia really is more baffling than cryptocurrency. I found those YouTube reviews to be helpful when choosing a dry herb vape, it helps to find head to head comparison reviews otherwise the reviewers just seem to ramble about manufacturers specs.
As it turns out my first dhv has now become my hash and concentrate vape. I got the xmax v3 pro as an entry level dhv to see if I could get used to it, before buying a Tinymight2.
The beauty of the xmax is the little stainless steel dosing caps I can just load them up with a little bit of cotton bacon and the hash or concentrate of my choice and cleaning is just as easy, open the cap and throw out the used cotton, occasionally requires a wipe but otherwise low maintenance which suits me.
+2
BigRoo
I have the xmax too! I think it works well as a weed vape. I also like the dosing caps. I tried hash and concentrates with it but didn't think it was that great with those. Concentrates definitely hit much much harder from the wax pen.
Comfortablenumb
I bought a dynavap b to use as a hash vape, got a load of hash in and was disappointed with it. I did a lot of testing different methods with what vapes I have, in cotton and with bud.
I have settled on the xmax in cotton bacon. Heated to 220°C (which I find too hot for the bud) and then left at temperature for at least 30 seconds to evenly heat before hitting it I think this keeping it at temperature part is why I struggle with the dynavap as I don't have an induction heater and if I hit it too soon I don't seem to get the full flavour.
I haven't done a lot of extracts with it yet but plan on getting a decent stash in for Christmas so I will have to do some more testing then.
You will have to put an update up in a month or 2 and let us know how the pen holds up or what you upgrade to 👍
simonsez1808
Hi - I have played around with various pieces; here's my 2p worth... AFAIK the term dab pen and wax pen are interchangeable. I use a vapour cup (the Crossing ACE which is the same as the Tronian Omegatron). I wouldn't be too concerned about the vapour. You fill the cup, but it's up to you whether you spit or down it in one 🙂. I also have a Utillian 5 wax pen. With bubbler. This works well and the bubbler cools things down nicely. Good solid device with spares easily available. Coils seem to be long-lasting. Also a box mod with Motar3 vaporiser. This has a pure quartz cup so the element doesn't actually touch your concentrate. More info if you need it, just ask away 👍
BigRoo
Thanks for filling in some of the gaps. I remember I saw some attachments for box mods - so first question is, what's a box mod?
simonsez1808
It's another name for a battery, generally with a 510 socket into which you can screw pretty much anything with a 510 connector. The thing about it is that you can set any voltage/wattage that you like. I have a geekvape - here it is with a Motar 3 vaporiser.
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DeadRabb1t
https://recommendedvapesupplies.co.uk/products/lightning-pen?_pos=2&_sid=2aa2a3cb4&_ss=r

Best mini handheld as ceramic cup and easy to clean

https://recommendedvapesupplies.co.uk/products/tug-e-rig?_pos=3&_sid=2d5b046ae&_ss=r

Cheaper than the core still made my crossing still compatible with the divine tribe cups and works a treat
+2
ScoobyDooReviews
Nice write up, and very entertaining even if it wasn't informative! 😂

I personally have a cheap £30 dry herb vape from Amazon. It gets the job done but often has a herbal/grassy taste especially with Stardawg. Looking to buy a mighty+medic v v soon in hopes the vapour will be much better.

As for the dabs, any concentrate or extract thrown into a nail or chamber is classed as a dab these days. Typically it used to be just shatter or wax, but now it's anything from pressed rosin to THCA diamonds and sauce.

I've been dabbling into concentrates and extracts for about a year now, I'm currently looking at buying a cheap £10 dab straw which fits onto a 510 battery. If that works better than me putting 0.05's into joints, I'll likely upgrade to a proper device I can use oils and wax in. As we all know Polly loves her Ace cup, so I may even be tempted to venture down that route 😈

I would love to buy a dab rig, but Scoobys family doesn't necessarily approve of cannabis, so the water bubbling, blowtorch, coughing would all be too much of a giveaway!

Saying that though, I did have a small acrylic bong pre covid, that didn't seem to raise any alarm bells....

🐾
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Hope it all goes well. Your prices are super cheap for anyone who wants those products so I'm sure once you get a couple of reviews and ratings you'll…
New batch
I'm hoping to have a small test of the Barz green ocaso by the weekend as a treat. There's too many tasty things on here - bloody hard choosing someti… + 3 more
Creators Wanted
Comparing bud & delighting viewers sounds a fun gig. I've just started doing some write-ups on LB as a mix of entertaining myself and hopefully a…
**420 COMPETITION TIME**
Well done folks. Thanks for running the comp. The comps are a very nice bonus for the winners so it'd be great to see more.
BigRoo Review: Tropical Haze
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INITIATIVE : ALTERNATIVE CRYPTO
For Currently my $$$ is going to be going elsewhere until fees make lb viable for me again. I'm a wee bit sad about that as I've been liking the site…
30K REVIEWS ANNIVERSARY FREE GIVEAWAY!!
Ah, my entry has popped. Aimed too low just like my school report always said I would. Good luck to those remaining. + 2 more
INITIATIVE: ADD LITECOIN PAYMENT
Like probably many people, I fall into both of those groups. Am both a stoner weirdo and have pain to deal with. The latter mostly self inflicted due … + 2 more
Competition Idea
I run comps at work. Generally speaking the more complicated they are the less people will enter. Competitions with the least amount of brain power ne…
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Fancy a change from hashish
Might like Keep it Green KIG. Orangina / mimosa would fill your criteria I believe.
I'll be back..
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Wake And Bake
I'd be wake bake then flake after one of them man. I definitely wouldn't be a contender here. These days I'm mostly evenings with the odd time here an…
420 Giveaway 🍁 $250 Store Credit!
Thank you - that'd be amazing. I'll send a message now. I didn't expect to get anything. + 2 more
Competition time
Lucky number 8 please. 9/4/2024
Eddys 🔥420🔥 Competition
I'll likely go for a mixture of things in sequence but probably ending with smokes of mixed extract & bud with a couple of edibles. There's a lot …
Caption Contest
The queen at the start of the game and when the pawn in front of her moves forward.
APOLOGIES ON BEHALF OF POUNDLAND TEAM
It's the first 1/10 review that makes me want to try the product. I make my cookies about half that strength which is enough to plant me on the sofa…
Vouch of approval, connoisseur-level hash
I think this will be a payday treat instead of an extract. I'm fairly new to lb so have been trying few different weeds, making my own edibles from di… + 3 more
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How long do refunds take
This is what I was here to find out. I just replied with my wallet address and kinda expected something else to happen to confirm things were in motio…
📢 GiveAway Alert 📢
I'll go for 58. Thanks. Good luck everyone.
BEST JOKE partie deux
I just had a brilliant chat with a dolphin. We just clicked.
Bouncer
on  Bouncer
Anyone else using revolut having to wait ages for confirmation
Actually just gone through. Phew.... + 2 more
📢 GiveAway Alert 📢
I'll take 55 please. It looks like it's free. Thanks for running the comp. Good luck everyone. + 4 more
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