Illegality just leads to people being stigmatised and socially looked down upon. I would much prefer it to be legal and no big deal for the average person to partake.

AIUI it is in fact the EU that has kai boshed the dispensary model and put pressure on the German's to just copy the Spanish model so that the economy doesn't benefit and the black market still thrives.
It's not the way to do legalisation especially if you claim the reason you legalise is to choke the black market.
The EU are becoming increasingly authoritarian and I doubt very much that they will be on board with this at all...ever.

Eh? The US model is awful isn't it? this EU model sounds far preferable (although not perfect of course).

If you don't like the EU it doesn't mean you have to rile against everything. I don't think we will, thankfully, ever have US kinda implementation, it doesn't fit, but this EU model... (if it works) maybe could be a framework one day.

Is it? I mean perhaps I have missed something but what exactly makes the iberian model better?
It certainly doesn't generate as much nationally beneficial revenue when it's hard to buy legally.
I'm not riling against anything but I feel that alot of people seem to think the EU is infallible and too easily forget things like it sanctioning it's own members when the country votes in a government it doesn't like, or allowing Greek children to die from preventable diseases since their financial crisis in the way of sanction by witholding certain classes of medication.
Nobody will ever be able to convince me that is not evil.
I honestly will be gobsmacked if the EU and it's unelected commission adopt Euro-wide framework for cannabis legalisation.

Just because they aren't allowing the over-commercialization of it doesn't mean it would be "hard to buy". In the UK there would be no shortage of local cannabis social clubs, it would be like having a local legal dealer... we don't need high street shops and cartoon mascots to make it "easy to buy" we're not Americans.

90% of your post is about your personal views on the EU so it just feels like that's your issue with it. (I'm not having a go at you btw I just think this is, at the least, a decent first step for the Germans).

Whilst I wasn't meaning to put a downer on this for the sake of it, I have read the initial reports that claim that the original plans were for a dispensary style system which was changed to the social club type which will make it harder to buy. And that change was down to the EU's persuasion. That is word for word what has been reported. By the BBC.
And whilst I understand you're not having a go, it's a little baffling that you claim that my view on this is shaped by my liking the E.U rather than the reason I have already told you. It feels a bit like you're saying "I'm not having a go, but I am writing you off as just an angry Nigel Farage fan" (I'm not by the way).
Don't get me wrong, I would prefer a system whereby I am not criminalised for my choice in this country over our current one. But I don't see the E.U adopting euro wide legislation as I previously stated.
That Will be down to the individual states surely?
I just don't see them being the saviour here.

Sorry in advance.

TLDR: A load of waffle.

What nobody has thought of doing is asking the general black market purveyors of quality cannabis what they’d do.

I mean. It’s only already been an industry in this country for 60 odd years. 🤣

All the best cultivators and breeders in the US were once black market. Then gray. And now, such is the way of things. Many of them are now out of business. Because they couldn’t get or afford the licenses.

All of those OG cuts. Gone forever. All that history.

That’s like smashing every barrel in Macallans cellar. A cultural tragedy. But that’s another rant. For another time.


So. Why is it any different to setting up a Gin distillery? Since Brexit, literally everyone seems to have done that. Now farmers are fucked. They’ve had to.

Imagine. Literal fields of cannabis - cough - fields of hemp. Far as the eye can see.

I’ve seen them in France. It’s mad.

Mr farmer is going to be very, very happy with a nice big fat government subsidy to grow quality organic cannabis. And so are all his staff.

Mr expert black market high end cultivator is going to be very happy to go work for Mr Farmer. For a very nice cut, and all the high-end kit, of course.

And you’ll be able to learn how to do it at agricultural college.

Mr ex-clandestine black market grower. Teaching kids how to grow quality Cheese.

Farm shops will be very different places, possibly, than they are now. I can imagine the extension to the cider barn will be pretty comprehensive.

That’s all that needs to happen. An extension of alcohol licensing and duty law. To incorporate cannabis.

Then you can homegrow. Like you can homebrew. Up to a point.

Similar license to the alcohol one. Not really that hard.

You still can’t smoke it where you can’t smoke. Fair play.

I guess once you let the genie out of the bottle. Discretion, that has been kind of enforced. Goes out the window. I for one welcome the smell of weed. To mask the smell of my bins not having been picked up for 3 weeks in the middle of summer.

If only weed were legal. Those bin guys could be properly funded by the council to be able to collect those bins. Because of the taxes paid by all the local weed growers in town.

Nah. Too utopian. Karens genuinely don’t like the smell of weed. And this is Britain. It’s honestly that petty.

I don’t like the smell of it. So it stays banned.

Think of the Children.

Any commercial products should be subject to testing, an extension of any other kind of product testing. Environmental Health could probably do it, with a bit more funding.

The paradox is this.

Do you call it a medicine? If you do. It instantly falls under the purview of the MHRA.

Which can mean years of trials.

This exact same issue arose in the early days of ecigs.

Or do you try and pitch it more like alcohol. Like a recreational thing. That can be treated and taxed as such.

I don’t fuckin’ know. I’ve thought about it. And tried to get educated. But there really is no answer.

Outside of the good people black market. Properly mobilising.🤷‍♂️ and places like this. Which just completely normalises the purchasing and purveying of cannabis.

Getting it normalised is 2/3rds of the battle. It’s not us vs government though. It’s us vs Big Pharma. Medicinal cannabis is Big Pharma. Pretty much safe to say. Or a subsidiary of. At this point.

They won in the US. Is that a good model?

Or is Amsterdam a better one. Where it’s acknowledged it’s recreational and fun. A schmoke and a pancake. Who the fuck doesn’t like that? Sure. The 500g and 5g thing is silly. As is it being very illegal to cultivate. But it’s worked pretty well for a good 3 decades or more.

And Spain of course. Where at least the potheads are all congregating in their clubs to do their illicit doings. So grandma B.A Byboomer doesn’t get all scared. But then I wouldn’t fuck with Spanish babyboomers. Full stop. They’d eat our UK pansies for breakfast.

Can I still say pansy?

Like I say. I don’t know the answer. Just spitting shite. Planting some stupid seeds I got at a Grateful Dead concert in 1987, which will most likely be all males knowing my luck.

Hello,
We had a supplier that asked us if we want to add to our menu... We are not big fans of it.

We gave it a try. It's stronger than CBD but the high is different/ strange compared to THC flowers.

The problem for us... we were told that product was CBD flowers sprayed with HHC.
HHC is a substance that can be found and extrated from the seeds.

The buds were over sticky amd was possible to see some liquid traces in the microscope.

Have a nice one ✌️
GH

gave them a go whilst i was in the us.
i do not recommend them, i felt groggy and just unwell. especially after the high I felt like absolute shit

I tried this in France in the form of hash. It was sort of almost like the real thing but just didn't quite hit the spot. It did do a decent job of stand in when I was out of the real thing. It gave me a groggy feel the next day and I slept fine on it. The HHC weed available was a bit pony.

I know this doesn’t answer your question but I was looking on Budmother for delta 8 carts today and noticed these HHC carts..£40/50 a pop though. ??

Seems about the same price as Ireland. I’ve heard mixed reports on hhc so would love to hear some Biggas experiences with it.

Hopefully more replies here will hear some experience as I too am interested in these along with the delta 8. Tbh effects mostly sound similar to cbd carts…I’ve used these for a while as an alternative to getting high all fck day and night😂😂

Tried HHC and it was actually ok. Made me very lethargic and slept great on it. Strange buzz to it some of the effects of normal THC but not all.

Exactly the same here, it has booted my insomnia into touch. I get a strong leg buzz and the giggles?

Hey Hoopin’👋

For a third of the price of a Pro, I’d get the AceCup:

https://recommendedvapesupplies.co.uk/products/ace-cup

ALL concentrates (not hash) AND you can use 510 Carts- boom💥

Concentrates can be hard on untrained lungs, but with this you fill the cup with thick tasty vapour and then sip like you are Lord of the Manor🧐….there is also a bubbler option.

But if you wanted to spend just a third of even that you could try out one of the best dabs pen on the market- the A10 Coil King.

Then peruse the menu of Canadian Imports….er…YUM! 😋

Thanks polly really appreciate that. Pity Canadian imports don’t deliver to Ireland.

Have you asked CI for a custom ship? I watched Budzinhos reviews of what €30 gets you on LB so assumed he was in Ireland, and he had CI product 🤔

Nice thread though, I’ve only just got into carts… when my bank account recovers I’ll come back here to see what I should get for dabs 👍

Yeah, sorry I don’t know who does Ireland and who doesn’t…is Eddy any good cos his products certainly are 🔥

What are you thinking to blow your extract virginity so to speak?

Live resin on the great vapes page looks lovely and great reviews. That ace cup looks ideal.

Too much choice that’s the problem and a good one. Maybe too good lol 😂

I have seen a few being posted on the topics that look lovely 🥰

Eddy's UK only as he's sure 99.99% will drop, I believe.

Polly, can the coil king do non waxy hash?
I got the storm spirit, which it turns out is a cheap, Chinese piece of shit. It is fine with urb but cannot get anything going with any kind of hash.

No mate, sorry. Hash will not work with an atomiser. I paid £300 for a Puffco Proxy because it claims to work for hash as well as concentrates but I hated it and sold it (it burnt too hot and just made a mess).The search for a great battery hash vape goes on. DeadRabb1t has some serious custom gear if that’s your thing- he is always happy to advise….

Ah, sounds troublesome.
So am I to assume that the dynavap and torch is superior to anything electric on the market?
Custom gear - interesting...
Would like to know more.

Butane seems to get better results yes. I’m personally not a Dynavap fan, I use a Vapman after trying both. They both need a certain technique.

DeadRabb1t is a big fan of the BAKx system (see link below), which is battery. It’s a serious extraction device for pro’s, has a big waiting list (only released in limited drops) and with the box mod will set you back around £300. The scarcity is of course part of the appeal🙄 but he can tell you more:

https://420vapezone.com/lamart-bakx-vape-for-hash-whole-nug/

Just depends on what you want to outlay to start ?

I was like yourself and had dabbed but at a mates and he would do all the faff.

Again polly to the rescue and AIO 👌 recommended by DeadRabb1t. Easy to use and does what I need it to do.

Great wee starter device. Others are available lol ideal for occasional use. If you’re going to be using concentre more then polly is spot on and as he said duel purpose with the 510. Other desk tops like the core 2.0 are great also.

You bank account is going to start crying as I was in the same boat now I’m in a whole added dimension to my rotation 🤦‍♂️

https://recommendedvapesupplies.co.uk/products/core-2-0-e-rig?_pos=1&_psq=core&_ss=e&_v=1.0&variant=43554896543980

Loving my new AIO Coil King Dazzler!
£30 and you're away and able to sample many concentrates.
Weekends now I'm as high as a kite lol 🪁
Starting to think of more advanced devices for the future... the Ace Cup sounds like another good step up Polly!

Yea Polly raves about it. Would love to try it. Especially the fact you can also use carts 💨

I love the core but I love the AIO out and about.

Lighting pen is also a good option. As said by pixeljuice.

Apologies to catsbananas as I used it again a few weeks ago and I can indeed confirm that they are right. It does not have to be a one and done. As previously stated on another thread. Me bad

Hey TheDazzler, no apologies needed! The fact that no one mentions the session capability of the LP is the fault of all the descriptions on different websites - well, let's face it the ONE description that is just lazily "copied and pasted" on a majority of websites.

Reminds me of when I first started looking into vapes and typed in google: "Best dry herb vape" (Do most other people do this too?) and lo and behold the winner is Arizer Solo 2.

Now a certain rabbidy rabb1t will choke on his cornflakes but I didn't find the Solo2 to be that bad - in fact, as my first ever vape it holds a special place in my heart as it started me on this journey. It's just quite slow at extracting (very flavourful though) but coming from a joint background and not a bong background this suited me fine.

What's my point? lost the my train of thought... in true Monty Python style I will just end it now in the middle of a sen

Shreddies or shredded wheat and oddly enough I eat them usually at midnight ish

I was fine until you tried to justify the arizer by the fact you came from a joint background and not a bong background

It's a slow flavourful extractor as you mentioned

I hadn't owned a bong for 20 years and only smoked 1 skin joints until I started vaping 🤷🏽 so don't be using that as a defence 😆

It's actually you low tolerance...

😉😍👀😂

Btw chicken paella last night lucky you no pic

Ps Dazzler really did grass you up

I just knew you would get all defensive about my mentioning the Arizer!

My main point (I think?) was about lazy copy and paste descriptions on websites, which is why it was a pleasant surprise upon visting RecVapes the first time because one product I read about (can't remember which now) Matt actually dissed a part of the product he was trying to sell - now there's honesty!

Chicken Paella? Fantastic. Brilliant. I. Really. Am. Interested. No pic? Awwwwwww noooooo. I'm devastated.

😉😁🤪😂😁

Grass

Ah your wee paws only hold 1 sin joints 🐾🐾

I don’t need to reply. I’m grassing on you to the dead 💀 one lol 😂

Well, well, well. Like that is it! What a snitch!! 😁😂😉

Is that Carlito's Way? Blimey not seen that since back in the day (90's). Book was good too, if I remember.

If it isn't Carlito's Way, then I've made a tit of meself.

Tit lol(I hope that’s tongue and cheek Or Truss)

"Squints at picture again"

Ahhh Donnie Brasco! I get it now.

i made the mistake with the solo 2 also, so now im in the market for an upgrade i asked the good folk here first rather than waste my time with general reviews on the interwebs...

I'm sure when someone does a "Top Ten/Best of Dry Herb Vapes" write up on t'net, they themselves just type in "what are the best dry herb vapes" and then just copy. Well, most of the time!

I wouldn't say mistake, more like when choosing a pub meal and you end up with the wrong choice not because yours is awful but because the other person's meal just looks a lot better! 😁

Welcome to the downward spiral into buying various devices and concentrates on the path you've chosen. I started with a Yocan Evolve XL dab pen, but it wasn't doing it for me, and now it's borrowed Dynavaps and a sort of dab rig... Listen to Dazzler and Rabb1t.

2 words, Cured Badder🤤🤤😮‍💨😵‍💫👌

To experience it properly, get yourself a blow torch, a glass rig and a few quartz bangers, a dab tool and globbless ya🤣💚

nice post, im looking for a rig too, i think seeing as im already saving for the Mighty i think i will go for the coil king, just to get me involved until i can upgrade.

Indeed….but that was always going to happen!

Just to update, after 24 days the package landed today. So keep the faith folks. Mine hadnt moved until 15 days after it was posted!

Yes I have a few stuck in mailing centres after clearing customs, they move eventually, had one move after 3 weeks lol

I don’t appreciate RM being on strike. Back in September,waited 8 days for a delivery for my wife who has ME. Seems they expect a pay rise coz they worked through covid. So did I and all I got was a £10 Argos voucher. If they can’t guarantee delivery as stated, it should be free. Sooner RM goes bust the better.

It's not because of work during Covid. They just don't want pay cut due to inflation like other striking. Yeah I get it, its inconvenient but if it wasn't, strikes would make no sense.. that's whole point, it need to make impact in order to influence change. We are being fucked by rich and corrupt govs. We probably need more strikes really and somehow change this messed up system (pipe dream I know) btw where is my pipe?

Postman by any chance! 🤣🤣🤣

I have 3 orders in transit. One on since last week. 2 days of strikes last week, and 2 this week. Its beyond joke now. I supported RM before, but it a fucking nonsense now.

Also, vendors here should have an option for fast delivery with extra $$ if customer is willing to pay.

I really had enough of this bullshit now. For FUCKS SAKES, it makes me so fucking angry RN.

Most vendors offer special NDD which is still running fairly smoothly

I ordered from cannapharm over three weeks ago. Nothing. No tracking number. No advice other than wait. I paid for 24hr delivery and they won’t give me the tracking number. Very annoyed.

Ordered on 21 nov, still not recieved 1st class packages.
We even have lost business's on LB who most probably ran their business using royal mail.

Is yours stuck in a post office? Mine seems to be just sitting there with no movement at all.

I had this issue a few weeks back after a 2 day strike. Package sat at Greenford for 3 days until I messaged their help desk stating it was stuck at an office and was shipped the next day

Good work Ninja but try not to call them as it could cause problems for the sender as they will ask questions like whats the name of the sender etc which u will never know and it could cause a ripple effect.

Also explore all possibilities like your out house, next door neighbor where it may of been left look for card on door mat etc.

Yep I have the same, ordered last thursday first class, still nothing as of yet

Nightmare!

Yes because it is building up and like when a sink gets blocked it needs to be fixed first until all these problems stop it's that simple plus mother nature is not helping with snow and ice.

And also add into the equation that there are alot of temps on 0-hour contracts who don't give a fuck and are rifling as they are brought in as seasonal workers this time of year in sorting depots and are also at it.

All of these factors combined lead to one big fuck up!

I have a theory that if you order just before a strike day your pack will sit at a depot but gets buried under all the backlogged mail that comes through after the strike day. Posties and sorters aren’t going to pick from the bottom of the pile meaning if you order after a strike day that pack is probably going to come through before the pack ordered before the strike day, if that makes sense.

There is just no way of catching up on the back log after strike days. Add on Xmas volumes, reduced staff and far fewer seasonal workers and according to my Postie (who is a superstar) it would take until the NY to get out everything currently stacked even if there were no more strike days…😱😱

Been a few weeks ago on Gran Canaria to a cannabis club. Technically you need a member to recommend you but you can skip that by emailing/insta them and say you want to join, give them some dates and ask for details. I've emailed a few before and all of them said to go straight to the club to chat about the membership. When I went to join the guy actually looked for the email and when he found it he gave me the membership straight away. I did a 20 euro membership for 3 months and it was def worth it. Police wise unless you are acting really sketchy I wouldn't worry, cannabis is decriminalized in Spain for personal use. I've had weed all over the place with me and no issues.

€20 for 3 months!! Wow. Mine was €20 for the year! Not that it matters much as a tourist but still...wow what a leap!

Even heard of places that charge nothing for the membership. But I was very satisfied, quality buds were half of the price in uk and they had a killer rosin for 30 a g, one of nicest smokes I had in my life

What was the club called mate I'm going soon. I went to fuertaventura last year there is a decent one in corralejo with some lovely fresa maria

"Keep calm" in the town of Vecindario, small selection but quality and not in a touristic area.

Was VERY expensive when I went. Very. €30 per gram. €40 for some. This was 2019

What for bud?

Yeah!

Jesus! The priciest they had here was 8 euros per gram. Sounds like a rip off

Everything on the menu was that price and there was only one other place in tenerife at the time. I think it's island prices. Where else are you gunna go? Lol

That’s great information. Thank you very much

Been to one in benidorm ,€30 for a year membership. Bought 3.5g gorilla glue 30 euros . Tourist prices.

I have. I visited “The Amsterdamned” in Puerto del carmen, just walked in without any recommendations or anything but they do require you buy a years membership in order to make a purchase. This was in 2017 so may have changed since.

Thanks a mill.

Have visited the ones in Tenerife. I had to contact them before i got over there via their FB or IG. After that it was just turn up and pay. Though, I don't think the FB/OG step was entirely necessary. It's just to get around the silly laws on tourism and cannabis

Thanks for that. I’ll try contact before just to be sure.

not Lanzarote but others in Spain and Canaries/Tenerife. I usually made friends with a local on the first day and they would give me a name to get buzzed in. Old injuries allow me to get the medical card which is cheaper and easier to deal with cops if stopped transporting between club and elsewhere. Don't do what I and buy the monthly max for a week stay :/ i could've flown home myself on the last day no plane needed

Thanks for that info Julieh. I did a bit of googling and some places seem to allow you register as a member on the day and some require to pre-register before arriving at the cafe. Is there a risk when leaving the cafe to be stopped by police and searched?

I lived in Madrid for a few years. Almost all the club's will require some sort of pre-contact (email, insta, FB) as it's a requirement of the law to be referred. If they don't they are probs not worth it anyway as they will be exceptionally more dodgy. Almost all of them will allow you to join as long as you can find some way to contact first. There are a few "locals only" clubs I've come across but that's mainly to preserve their longevity from closure than a dislike to tourists. Make sure you NEVER tell a police officer where/what the club is or smoke on the street of the club. Both of these are enough for the police to try and gain entry and risk the license of the club. I became quite good friends with the owner of my local in Madrid and the hoops they have to jump through are insane to be able to operate even in the weird way they do now.

i've seen cops harassing folks in touristic areas - i always attend a club a little outside the main areas to get grab and go - often one membership will allow entry to sister clubs as a visitor so if i want to smoke in the sun on a balcony in the tourist area can do that too

CSC Elysium. Best in Lanzo 💯

The Hemperor. Playa Blanca. Email in advance. Recommend 👍

is that like 420 with booze?

I like to keep it green!

Slainte! ☘️🥃

Rolling a joint on the bus back in my teens - the Bus emergency stopped and the Rizzla and weed went flying. Honestly, i still think about this n it pisses me off to this day lol

You have unlocked a memory, I remember sneezing a joint off my lap when I was a teen lol

When I was a kid mum used to knock out a bit o cheap hash.

She got a special delivery, some Afghan. Left in oven which was sitting in the front room ready for the binmen to take ( fuck me back in the day those geezers would take anything for £5)

Wake up the next morning dad thrown the oven out with the 9 bar In.

Mum chasing the binmen to tip in her car was a particular highlight.

9 bar totally wasted

Hahaha

I was smoking a joint once in a wooded area and as I went to take a puff the joint somehow slipped out of my hand, it went somewhere on the floor but I wasn’t able to find it with all the leaves everywhere. I was so pi**ed honestly I had just sparked up as well 😡

Another memory unlocked, I was drunk at a party rolled a joint. Went to tap it down on a open beer and dropped it straight in the tinny haha

About ten years ago I was moving flat. I put the final lot of my clothes and my weed pots into one black bag to take with me and rubbish into another to go outside for the bin collection. By mixing these up I lost both the clothes and the weed to the bin lorry.

Sharing mine with my wife is pretty wasteful considering she’s 50% of the reason I smoke 😂

Absolute savage 😂

Smoking with a friend in summer
he noticed a little bug on the J and blew the bug roach end all the weed shot out the j leaving just the paper 🤣

Like a pea shooter lol

I've had weed that I left in my smoking shed. Moisture got in to it and it all tasted of NOTHING, the taste was completely gone. It was a huge jar full. The big 5L jars. Absolutely wounded. But i still sold it to a friend who didn't mind about the no taste.

Copper made me chuck a Henry of flower over a cliff edge once when I was a kid, but last night, I only lost a joint, but I’d read something about eating mangos before you smoke gets you more stoned so wanted to test it out, so was rolling a joint, missus chopping up a mango, the mango was over ripe and more liquid than solid, this dick head chucked the joint into a bowl of mango goo, was fuming, anyway nailed the mango and rolled another, doesn’t make any difference

Stashed 2 Oz in a jar after drying it, went to Dam for a week, came back to a jar full of mold.

Must have still had some dampness in, was expecting a good cure and instead it went in the bin 😅

Lomg time ago stashed 5 z's in my wheelie bin in air tight container with rubbish Forgot next day was bin day. Woke up to empty bin.

Omg man how much u waste ? And apart from flushing down the bogg some shocking weed but still smokable to some people i imagine, I was very upset and angry thinking what even is this tatty stuff I am smoking I deserve better than this I said to my self so I headed to bathroom and flushed the tea bags then hour later I did need a spliff . WTF DID I DO THAT FOR ! 🥹 but also I do remember knocking a glass of juice onto some only smoke had left onto my tray also drenching all the rizla in the process very painful experience

I've flushed 3 lots of shake down the toilet from LB. I always hum and ha about it and I know it's a waste. Scary thing is there are people that would put that shit in their lungs

Had some off him recently and it had no effect whatsoever, will be avoiding him from now on lol. Definitely better alternatives