I've been on LB for many years now, and like to purchase from many different sellers.
There are a couple of sellers on here who I would loved to have tried their products, but, due to them wading into arguments, political posts and general twattery, I would find it morally impossible to do so.
I'm not having a pop, but as as a fully paid up member of a minority who suffers daily persecution for the way I choose to live, I only deal with kind people who either show empathy or better still, say nothing if they have nothing nice to say.
I'm sure I'm not alone.......

So you are a minority who came to live in our country by the goodness of our hearts and now you have the nerve to claim you suffer daily persecution here ? Where is your gratitude ? Tell me what it is that happens to you on a daily basis because I don't believe you . You have been accepted into the most tolerant society on earth and you're still complaining .
If you're so against persecution based on ethnicity then how can you disagree with this post ? You are the racist here . You have zero consideration for the natives who took you in .

Im a traveller born in Yorkshire......

Tell me how you're persecuted in my country , you vile racist . You can't because it is a lie .

You're a racist who just called me a 'Gammon ' . It doesn't matter where you're born , you're not British and you never will be . I was born in Arabia , that doesn't make me an Arab .
You are a vile racist and we will be deporting you .

Nothing to worry about unless you’re a racist or a bigot.

These are racist laws against whites only . The only racists who are a problem in our society are the Arab supremacists who are doing atrocious things on a mass scale because they hate us . These laws are designed to protect those racists .

The irony is Islam is all about conservatism. The so called protected characteristics are not just religion they are sex, age and others. So yeah I don’t think sharia law would be protective of non-binary unicorns.

Again Dopey your prejudice shines through seems like you are obsessed with Muslims, did one shag your wife or something?

They raped and tortured our children on an industrial scale . These were clearly racially motivated attacks as evidenced by the victim testimonials .
I can't blame you for being ignorant as this stuff has been hidden from the mainstream but do a little research and you will be shocked .

What has j k Rowling got to do with Sharia law?

If you do not wish for another persons belief it can be perceived as hurtful and you can be arrested.

So if you offend a religion for example that is punishable under new laws modern day blasphemy which is currently being used in Pakistan and is punishable by death in some cases exactly what is starting in Scotland and JK Rowling lives in Edinburgh and is already preparing legally against this draconian law.

For example quite recently in a city in Pakistan a women from the UAE was shopping in a dress with arabic words so a crowd of over 300 men surrounded her as they thought they were holy words from the Quran. They were going to behead her right there.

^^^heads gone^^^

The lady from the UAE was nearly yes quite literally.

She was wearing a dress from a designer in Kuwait with Arabic words just a few weeks ago.

She had to be saved from tbe baying mob. EXACTLY THE TYPE OF LAW THAT IS STARTING SOON IN SCOTLAND JUST WITHOUT THE BE HEADING THANKFULLY.

You’re not the sharpest tool in the shed are you? Mixing your political views on here whilst trying to do business is stupid. I haven’t bought anything from and definitely won’t be in the future.

Dam I will cancel that remortgage now 😂 as I won’t be getting your custom.


When are all you gen z lot going to get to work and start contributing to society? Instead of running round with Lenin posters and by the way he was responsible for over 12 million deaths.

I care about the state of my nation and have a right to voice my opinion I am sorry that you have been taught that you can identify as any thing and that you have all been raised as BEETA there needs to be yeng and yang not Sam and Sam.

Think you’ll find that was Stalin not Lenin you imbecile.

Stop trying to silence him . He speaks the truth . These Islamists are the only racists worth worrying about

Time is cyclical- these are the same racist tropes applied to Irish, black people, and Jews in Britain over the last 200 years.

Moreover, white men make up the largest demographic of sex offenders in this country, including violent sexual crimes, and sexual crimes against children. They make up a tiny minority of white men.

I belong to that demographic and in no way want to be tarred with the same brush as savages who can inflict such damage on people.

The same can be applied for the vast majority of muslims who do not perpetrate violent sexual crimes. I think as a bare minimum you should extend the same courtesy of not tarring all people with the same brush.

I’m from Keighley, so i’m well versed with the narratives around grooming gangs- they are terrible, and make up a small fraction of violent sexual crimes committed in this country.

When xenophobic rhetoric is pushed to the forefront of political discourse, it’s usually to divert focus from the failing economic policy a country has implemented.

Living standards are falling, and instead of prioritising this, we squabble over cultural differences. It’s not new- you can set your watch to it.

Violent sexual crimes are on the rise all over Europe thanks to migrants . The data is undeniable .
While it is true that most migrants are decent people , it's also true that they commit far more sexual crimes than the natives .
You must be thinking of the erroneous comparison between online grooming and the viscous racist torture gangs . These crimes do not compare . When we compare like for like , we see that the vast majority of these crimes are committed by foreign racists .
Instead of focusing your attention on the far right phantoms , you should be concerned with the actual racists in our country .
You are covering for racist pedos because they happen to be foreign .

Firstly you’re conflating British muslims with foreigners, which unfortunately is inherently racist/xenophobic. The assertion is that the tiny minority of british brown people who are committing these disgusting acts are doing so as a result of their culture, or their ‘foreign-ness’.

I’m just stating that it isn’t true. The national crime statistics around sexual crime can be found with a 20 second Google. I’m also happy to post links if you like, as citation is likely needed with such a complex issue.

I’m not defending paedophilia and frankly, it’s insulting of you to suggest this.

I’m merely saying that if you want it to stop, you’d be better at looking at not only the small minority of muslim men doing this, but the vast majority of the perpetrators, who are white men. Why is it only a problem when it’s muslims? Surely we should be tackling sexual abuse across the board…

Some of the perpetrators have British citizenship , so I'm conflating nothing .
The victim testimonials prove that these crimes are racially motivated .
You are denying the existence of Islamist fundamentalists who are actually a group of considerable size . These people have a vile racist culture which they use to justify their vile crimes .
You will not find any crime statistics on race in this country because our state has refused to publish accurate records . You will need to check the European stats for that .
Independents who have gone over our stats have found they are in line with other European countries . Afghans and other foreigners are something like 70 times more likely to rape and rape in gangs .
Gang rapes by white people are rare in this country . The Islamist rape gangs have been compared to all grooming offenses which makes them seem less common . Gang rape of small children is a far worse crime than talking to children online and should have it's own category . The fact that these are racially motivated attacks on our own people makes it a special case all of it's own .
Imagine if it was Neo Nazis doing it to black girls . One incidence would be enough to spark violent riots . Yet we're talking about hundreds of thousands of victimes over decades. This is happening all over Europe . Islamist fundamentalists are real . MI5 even admit they are the number one threat to our country . The UAE has even warned us that we're harboring these Islamist extremists . These Islamists are not even tolerated in their own countries yet we turn a blind eye because of people like you who refuse to see .

With respect, you’re all over the place. You mentioned foreigners and now back track to include british people.

You say there are no statistics on race and then proceed to quote some. Where are you getting your information from?

I’m not trying to be antagonistic, if what you were stating was true i would believe it. It’s just that unfortunately it isn’t.

By the way there are statistics. Here is the info on charges and prosecutions for rape and sexual assault, by ethnicity, for around the last 20 years. It took ten seconds to find mate…

Looking at the figures around sexual assault in this country, if we were to scrub all the crimes committed by non white british men, most rapes would still take place. Targetting one small group won’t stop sexual assault. These terrible groups are the tip of the iceberg.

Men of all cultures and races commit sexual assault and focusing on one ethnicity, culture, or religion won’t fix anything.

Breaking new . There's been another Islamist attack . We have been warned by proper Muslim countries that the UK is harboring a large number of these extremists . We have 40 thousand of them on a watch list . Why won't you let us call them out? .https://www.youtube.com/live/7s6WBoKcEUI?si=3CRz-uKvsWL00NSq

Islamists have been car ramming and stabbing people in the streets of Europe on a weekly basis . How can you deny the problem ?

Here's one for Sweden .https://portal.research.lu.se/en/activities/63-percent-of-those-convicted-of-rape-in-sweden-have-an-immigrant#:~:text=63%20percent%20of%20those%20convicted%20of%20rape%20in%20Sweden%20have%20an%20immigrant%20background,-Khoshnood%2C%20A.%20(

You completely ignored what I said about Islamists .
They do exist and they do justify rape by their religion . Google rape in your city and see how many of the perpetrators have Arabic names .
This is really happening .

I’m not denying anything. I think it’s terrible as have written repeatedly. I’m saying that you are concentrating on one small group rather than looking at the bigger picture.

If Islam didn’t exist, sexual assault, paedophilia, domestic terrorism would all still exist. Are the statistics from the Crown Prosecution Service not adequate? They are the ones charging and prosecuting criminals.

There was a paedophile ring uncovered in Wales recently. All white. Then of course, we have Ian Watkins. Does this make paedophilia an inherently Welsh issue?

No, it doesn’t.

I'm not saying that we shouldn't go after our native criminals. We should absolutely do that .
But I am now highlighting the huge problem of foreign Islamic racists in our country .
I agree with you about the white pedos , so you are committing a whataboutism when you deflect to them . You are not demonstrating any hypocrisy in my stance .
It's like saying that you can't criticize Nazis because murder would happen anyway . It's whataboutism . Why won't you admit that Islamists are a huge problem ?

As for the CPS , no , you absolutely cannot trust them . Under Starmer they have been responsible for covering up Islamic terrorism to a shocking extent .
Check out the case of Charlene Downs . A young girl who was raped and murdered never to be seen again . Her rapists were caught on tape laughing about how they ground her up and sold her as kebabs yet they got away with it because Starmer fluffed the case and tried to blame one of the officers who has since been cleared of all wrong doing . This is just one case . You should check out some Tommy Robinsons work to get a fuller picture of what we're dealing with here . You're a big picture guy , go check out what Tommy has been reporting on .

I’m no fan of Keir Starmer but he hasn’t fronted the CPS for years and would have no impact on contemporary figures. Also, Labour are losing muslim votes en masse due to Gaza as well as perceived islamophobia within the party and how they govern and interact with the muslim community.

They certainly don’t protect muslims or show preferential treatment- they also suspend anyone who does.

My point remains the same. I’m not suggesting that grooming gangs don’t exist. I’m suggesting that any society truly committed to ending sexual crime, would acknowledge where it occurs the most, the least and everywhere inbetween.

I tried to give Tommy Robinson the time of day when he first started. Much of what he says is sensationalised, even more of it is fiction- but i have tried and didn’t just bin him off due to his media reputation.

He makes a good living from stirring up decent people, who are rightly outraged by some of this awful shite. He just doesn’t have any solutions.

Labour absolutely protects Muslim interests . They have a large Muslim voter base which they're always sucking up to

Your information is dated. It’s no longer the case. It was apparent in the run up to the last election, and the countless stories of the Labour Party suspending muslim members and councillors for speaking about Gaza.

Again the statistics are available, but if you dispute the facts and insist that Tommy Robinson is some kind of authority in this matter, your mind is already made up.

Let’s say you get your way and Islam is ‘stopped’ (however you care to define that), most rapes in this country will still take place.

it’s not anti rape mate, it’s anti Islam.

(Edited as i was writing quickly and typed you’re not anti rape, you’re anti islam’ instead of ‘your argument is anti islam’.
You’re obviously anti rape…

Scotland's new Hate Crime Act would send top Scots comics like Billy Connolly 'to the Gulag'

Sorry but quoting the English tory propaganda hate rag to a Scot is not going to make us believe anything they say.
And as for this post i find it amusing just how thick some of you English are.
Instead of being concerned about us Scots you should be more concerned that your upper class twits have sold your asses out to the yankee big corporations and are above your English law so you cant touch them.
When it comes to political intelligence you lot are at the bottom of the pile fighting the yanks for dumbest.
Prove me wrong English rise up and fling all your criminal politicians in prison take back your sovereignty as a people,free the home nations from the undemocratic UK (that includes your nation dumbasses) and create your own parliament.
You cant want to know why because the 1707 treaty of union strips you Englishmen of your sovereignty and enshrines it in Westminster meaning your upper class twits can do as they please in your name and only us sovereign Scots can free you hence why they took away our parliament and rigged the 2014 referendum.
But hey dont worry you can always pretend your vote actually matters.

well said

So much hatred wow

All of this libtard politics is why they can never follow through on what the people voted for not unelected officials that we have now.

I have Scottish blood, Irish blood, Italian blood and English blood u racist piece of crap!

I have a family tartan.

libtard lmao are you a piece of crap illiterate yank hmm or a wanna be.
You can forget ever getting any custom off me since it is you who is the racist

You are the racist bigot here . Why don't you calm down and have an actual conversation for once ?

Eh no that was advice but hey just from the choice of your name i can see you are not too bright.
I dont hate English people some of them are my best mates but man when it comes to politics they get spoon fed tory crap from birth or worse think Labour are for the people haha what a fucking joke they are the tory second party.

I do not trust any party full stop and I have views made from a broad experience of life and cultures.

Son i sailed around the world as a young man took Aya with Shamen,smoked weed and hash in places you have never heard off,married a Kiwi and my daughter is aTahitian since she was born there and i am a grandad of two English girls since my daughter married a nice Englishman.
And that is the first sensible thing you have said on this thread.

Some of us are only English by birth, and would choose to change that if a time machine were to exist.

I include Kernow in the home nations 😉

So do they, but I was born in Leeds.

Sorry thought the flag was a give away since it is the Baner Peran lol

I've spent half my life in Kernow, 25 years ish, but i never made it past "outsider" status!

Generation Z brigade

Taught by Marxist teachers to hate your history.

If you know your history correctly you will see that we were the nation that ended slavery.


Slavery still exists today in the Middle East and Africa if you do your homework.

Slavery still exists in the UK on a massive scale,but, now it's labelled as a "cost of living" crisis.
If you go to work, and the only things you get in return is shelter and food, that in itself is slavery.

He's talking about actual slavery , Go and find out how the Arabs treat the blacks in Mauritania

You should leave . It's clear that you hate us . It's racist of you to stay and benefit from our society while you hate us .

'Gammon ' is a racist slur for white people . You have proven my point . You are the racist .
Imagine if white people went anywhere else in the world and acted with the same entitlement as you .
If you hate us you must leave . We will be voting to deport the people who hate this country and it's people , so wise up and quite the racism .
Disgusting

Yep they will have the hate monster police sitting in the audience waiting.

Shocking that this got downvoted .

I think there's a problem with the word authority. Some authorities are voluntarily recognised by people as experts so their opinions are amplified. Seems like a really good thing.

The other kind is an authority imposing power upon you through a monopoly, usually a monopoly on violence.

Humans should trust humans.
If we don't trust human beings who are we going to trust?

I am
Sure the Incas took that view until the conquistadors arrived. Humans screw humans more now than any time in history

we need less screwing and more ..screwing

More banging too

that would be banging

real talk!

code.

We need to start with trusting ourselves and then the rest flows outwardly like a breeze ;)

Authority Exists because we are Herds. Authority exists because we give it value or Authority to!!!!

So in fact there IS or NO authority exists outside ourselves.... Cuz we give Value!!!

So authority is actually you .... You decide whether to follow it or not --- You are Authority who is looking for Authority and asking why we need authority

It only exists if you want it to (Collectively)

thailand would have a billion people

If all borders were open there would be an attempted global caliphate followed by world war... Islam vs. Rest of World. CCCP picks up the pieces.

Olympic sport

been falling apart for years

Racketeering

taxes

we aren't really organised into countries. we are subjected to participation at birth.

keeping better wines out of reach

And weed.

Basically it derives from the same origins. There are certain laws of ethnic relations in history of humankind, such as:

1. law of percentage: lets say a black person somewhere in gothenburg or copenhagen would trigger an amused curiosity and the outpouring of sincere sympathy, however, if you "inject" immigrant workers up to the fateful threshold of 4-8 percent and you will already have a racial situation - the nature of social relationships changes, engendering ethnic tensions, global reflexes painful to describe. The more the percentage increases, the more class struggle transforms itself into racial confrontation. Basically, this percentage is sufficient to make racial discrimination appear spontaneously in people who previously believed itself wholesome and devoid of any racist sentiment.

2. The law of assimilability: If majority and the minority belong to the same large ethnic group (all are white, or all a asian), then assimilation occurs progressively. For example, Spanish or Portuguese workers despised in France not so long ago, integrated themselves into population within the space of one generation; same for descendants of corsicans and the poles during napoleonic era, same for bambara minority living in senegal. But if the ethnic and cultural gap is too big, tensions are exacerbated with time. Like African Blacks and Arabs find themselves in this situation in Europe. Coexistance basically becomes possible only in a truly Socialist state or a state that has adopted a high morality philosophy.

3. the law of distance: like two ethnic groups that are not fighting over the same living space or same market and occupy different territories separated by space can enter into normal relationships. Like that an alliance can be explained during world war 2 between hitlers germany and japan. or relationship of pretoria with israel state.

4. the law of phenotype: basically physical appearance. It would matter little tgat botha and zulu in africa have the same genotype (same genes in the chromosomes) and it would have no influence on their daily lives because their external features are so different.
Laws of class struggle according to history applies only to societies previously made homogeneous by violence. Funny, that the most modern nations actually went through this bestial struggles before (Americas, australia, new zealand, good part of asia, greenland, huge part of pacific, scandinavia, etc, etc).For example Blacks of Americas were brough over to work the land, while the indigenous races were being destroyed. So, the "more advanced" barbarious conquerors exterminated/drove out whole populations, devastated or abandoned productive forces they they simply did not know how to use. This specific law is one of my favourite... how spartan domination ended by crumbling particularly because of the great numeric weakness of their REAL citizens. Because their society consisting of spartan conquerors and lowly helots both belonged to the same large white-skinned 'race', ethnic differences became blurred and it allowed class differences appeared only in an economic sense.
Same goes for Rome and Carthage, Rwanda-Burundi, Francs and Gallo-Romans.
Have a look at the american immigration laws and how it progressed throghout 19-20 centuries. This law also gave birth to so called intra-european racism, etc.

We forget that the passage from a clan to a monolingual tribe and to ethnic group and to nationality historically was a result, a consequences of clans exogamy. It is still widely discussed by specialists. But it marked starting point of the current civilization.
Endogamy was prohibited and we, humans, just started fucking people from the outside kkk several neibourhing clans contracted marriage ties that led them eventually to speak same languages despite that their original idioms were different.
The number of clans to gather together to work a more or less powerful tribe didnt follow any rules and depended mostly on the fertility and extent of the lands occupied by the group. Thus was born nationality.

In the course of history, when two groups of people argued over a vital economic space, the slightest ethnic difference can be magnified, temporarily serving as a pretext for social and political cleavage: differences in physical appearances, colour of your passport, language, religions, morals and customs.

We forget that basically future generations must forget about the dead so that the conquering people can undergo a rebirth with an angelic consience.
Why do we almost idolise, for example, conquistadors, holy crusaders and vikings? Pillagers, rapists, murderers and worse.

Most of the things we learn and follow, most of the times, blindly, things we consider as truths and solid facts, the very foundation of our personal universes - it was predominantly build based on someones ideologies.

Books, that our kids and us read, are also written under certain circumstances, conditions, requirements, with certain motivations. Dictated by an ideology.

Sooo.... sorry for the massive message. It just questions like this trigger something inside me, something that i consciously try to understand and overcome. For before we are races or nationalities, boys or girls, gays or straight, we are humans.

Peace yo.

Interesting points. I just came across this forum and will make a contribution. Meanwhile, on the topic of Scottish Nationalism, I have myself proposed Independence For England! We English (whatever that means through consensus) vote in a referendum to dissolve the union of England and Scotland. Never mind what they want, how about what we want, which may be to separate from them, along with the subject nation of Wales. We'll have our own oven ready breakfast and our own national covid death toll, while we surrender the last shreds of our integrity to the fucking Yanks and the fucking Chinese whose government leaders wouldn't make the groove as a couple of Pox Doctor's clerks.

Please dont have the idea that all Scots want independence
. Plenty are and always will be happy to be part of the union. There is more at play than just Scottish Independence, certain elements see Scottish independence as a means to help another cause. Understand that Independence of Scotland is not the endgame for a lot of SNP supporters.

The whole SNP "independence" thing is a facade.

The SNP want to leave our union and join the EU club because they'll give them more money than Westminster does.

They still want to be financially "dependent", just a more generous sugar daddy.

I'm talking about the SNP, not all Scots :)

High Raskolnikov. Your post showed as a comment on mine so You're addressing me, then. I have no intention of stating anything about what Scots want. My point is that I consider an English Independence Referendum is incumbent on ourselves to determine our Englishness without the input of the other three nations. Devolution, revolution, phooey! We want ablution. Wash our hands of the lot of you. Do we? Who does? Has anyone got this underway? Sturgeon and Salmond? Something fishy about those two!

Interesting points Vikosh. I feel that England is a pretty tribal place.

Being born and growing up in the North, spending the last 2 decades in the South, and finally relocating back to the North of England, i’d say there are even considerable cultural and economic differences between different areas of this country.

There was a political movement that started a few years ago, that seems to now be on the back burner, for northern independence. While this is a lofty pursuit, and i’m unsure how successful it might be if implemented, I think it suggests that certain areas of our country define themselves not on a national footing but a regional one.

Personally I consider myself English and Irish, rather than British, but more crucially, being Northern trumps ‘Englishness’ for me…. race doesn’t come into it for me. Social class plays a large factor too.

I’d take a working class community in the North populated with English South Asians, Roma, and West African people over a predominantly white, middle class community in rural Hampshire- this is down to personal experience and unscientific, just my preference having lived in both places.

Great topic!

I certainly don’t need a referendum to establish my Scottishness.

I wouldn’t blame the English people if they started to see things this way but we are still all better as a union and I think you know this. Sturgeon and Salmond are just typical politicians mate who lying is a big part of the job description. There has been a huge change in Scotland in my lifetime where the working class vote has moved away from labour to the snp. Labour has shot themselves in the foot so many times but also the snp politics has changed. I have been on this earth a long time and the snp have changed so much. Sturgeon is still using her bloody daily briefing up here to try to indoctrinate the nation. I’m going to stop here as I am ranting.

British here too. I feel like the silent majority of my country are the same

Not English, then. To be born an Englishman is to win first prize in the lottery of life. That life being the infliction of Imperialism on 25% of the world's population. Nothing wrong with that, was there?

Cool. What were you born?

Obviously, not britain. Tiocfaidh ár lá.

Get your Brits out!!

Sturgeon's manifesto was just a wish list, impossible to accomplish. I don't want Scotland to leave. We may rib each other on things but I'd like to think we have each others back when things get tough. We live on the same island. Crazy to break up.

I am British not Scottish or Welsh or Irish or English but British.
So the idea of England going on its own is kind of laughable.
I prefer this great country as one nation,I have lived all over UK so I class myself as British. Ever since devolved countries we had loads of petty arguments enough of the arguments and do there jobs.
The Scottish independence route will end up like n ireland scottish people are divided straight down the middle so can see issues battle grounds comes to mind bombings etc etc just like n ireland AND its not going to happen anyway thank god.:D
Or you english going be invaded of all the people that do not want there countries independent lol.

Plus the Queen will never allow it to happen she is still the most powerful lady in this country and can override any laws in the UK set by government it is in the small print when she signed it over to the government. She has her palaces all over the UK.

She wants to send to her son to America to answer for the crimes he is guilty as fk otherwise he would have gone over and answered there questions on very serious sex crimes.
Guilty as fk he is by dodging the request of the FBI and CIA law to himself hiding behind mummy he is.

I am British loud and proud !!!

I’m British and Scottish mate. Think it is possible to be both. I’m not interested in Independence and believe it will not happen and will be a disaster if it does. In Scotland Salmond courted a certain block vote and got it. That is what has got the snp to where they are. That and shortbread tin thinking. They will soon want to let over 14 s vote. As I said in another post, Scottish Independence is not the endgame for a lot of snp.

Just curious, what do you believe to be the SNP's ultimate goal?

Wait do Scotts not have bangers and mash?

I always thought this, we are taught to be separate and see our differences constantly, great way for a small percentage of people to control us with concepts like "nationalism" and this your "land" blah blah.

What an outstanding post thank you

this bigga

Not necessarily, Scottish nationalism is an attempt to escape racism

good one, i guess that goes for any anti colonial movement like vietnam for example

It was a joke mate but fuck, Vietnam. Is that what you are comparing Scottish Independence to?

Are you talking about Arab supremacists like Hamza Yousaf ? I'm unaware of any other racists in Scotland .

Sounds like something a Scottish nationalist would say.

Scotland's nationalist party don't want to exclude races, they want independence from another countries rule. It's not about racism.

Unless is the European Union.

lol. ok, i'll bite...

nationalism is a term for those with common interests as citizens of the same country working together for mutual benefit and/or pride.

racism is a hatred of one or more person/s where skin colour is the basis used for the defining attribute.

neither is mandatory last I heard.

a lot of nationalists aren't so much racists as exclusionary. they believe in a social contact that only exists amongst members. outsiders are not part of the deal.

Just like you would naturally have a preference for feeding your own family in your own home, before you concerned yourself with feeding anyone else.

This would not mean you hated other people, or didn't wish the best for them.

I think Nationalism is often confused with extreme Right wing ideologies, when it could be Left or Right really.

Sounds kinda like racism.

The national front! They were nationalists that says all you need to know!!!

national socialists also skew a little right

Look into snp and the past. They have changed a lot.

Yes you could look into the SNPs distant past or alternatively you could look at what the Tories are doing right now as we speak under your very nose.
It is funny how a conversation about nationalism is related to the SNP when anyone with eyes can see that British nationalism is the one being pushed everywhere in Britain.
The SNP didn't spend 2 million quid on a set of blue curtains and two Union Jacks and it is not the SNP who are plastering everything with the Butcher's apron either!

Not even Ethno nationalism is racist . You can love your own ethnicity more than others without hating them .

Because we can change our nationality as it’s make believe. You cannot change your DNA which is real

nationalism is more like greed, racism is more like hate.

Nationalism has more positive range for example promoting culture. Racism is usually associated with negative feelings about other races.

They both seem doomed if you ask me.

only in touchy feely places like the uk ... not in most other countrys ... too much self hatred in this country ...

Not synonymous, but it's an interesting point.
In some sense, I think it is an individual and academic choice to be patriotic (even that is turned into a dirty word now), root for your country or be proud of it voxally. It's OK to like your country if you really do. You do live there after all. It's just a country. Other countries are not minorities in their own country as the British are not here.
As you allude to, it is a lottery, not a skill, being British (or Irish for that matter). There is little merit to being "proud" I agree. But it doesn't oppress anyone or anything in itself. It is a way to preserving culture and way of life. You can't pick who you think should be able to do that.
Otherwise, the takeaway is, only the oppressed are allowed to be proud of anything and preserve culture. What kind of world is that?
I do think that no matter what, being proud of your race is pointless, stupid and divisive.
It suggests a nexus between a superiority or exceptionality and racial group.
After all, skin colour is decided only by a few alleles in the genome and indicates very little about one's charachter.
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Racism is necessarily exclusionary. But Nationalism isn't.

In general I am wary of nationalism, but there are times when it has achieved positives.

I think it is oxytocin that causes the problems as it creates aggressive in-grouping, be it from the innateness from skin colour or the innateness from where someone was born.

There was a study I linked to but there is more out there about the dark side of oxytocin. There was quite a few articles in the dumber section of media about giving men oxytocin to fix their aggression problems when in fact it might be a major factor in causing them.

There seem to be a prevailing perspective of an individualistic view on what racism is, i.e. the hatred or superiority of another race, nation, or ethnicity, however this view is overly simplistic as racism is structural and systemic and is only dependent on the individual when their actions are supported by the larger system.
One can be xenophobic, discriminatory and/or prejudiced against others from other places without it being racism if they are not the dominant race/ethnicity/or culture.
Racism = power + prejudice. That is the current understanding and definition of racism in social sciences and some dictionaries (as with Merriam Webster, which was updated two or three years ago). That is not to say that racial prejudice or discrimination is allowable or tolerable. It's not. However to quantify both types of prejudice (the one that is solely individual and the one that is supported by systemic structures) as the same thing or equivalent is false.
One is an individual opinion and has no greater repurcussions than that person's world's or actions, the other however plays into a wider narrative of oppression that reinforces the structural oppression and contributes to and reinforces societal and structural discrimination.
Nationalism is different in several ways.
Firstly, pride in ones nation does not mean an inherent prejudice or discrimination against those that come from other nations (although all too often it does manifest in such a way).
Secondly, if those expressing nationalist sentiment are not the dominant authority over said nation, then it is not racism but discrimination and prejudice as they lack the power to manifest that discrimination through institutions or on a structural scale. This type of nationalism often manifests as a resistance to colonial and imperial forces. In those cases the nationalism is not being the of an ideological superiority or innate belief in the dominance of one nation over another, but rather a resistance to such.
Therefore nationalism and racism only become the same when said nation propogates their dominance and superiority over others while simultaneously systemically oppressing other nations or supporting existing structural oppression and prejudice.

https://www.dismantlingracism.org/racism-defined.html

That's the woke idea of racism . It's not useful for anything but justifying woke racism .
Racism is a universal principle . Once you start adding caveats it becomes a self defeating philosophy . Racism under the new woke definition is itself racist .

I'm a nationalist. I want England and all our major cities to be English and not resemble Bangladesh. That makes one a racist nowadays.

If the reason you give for those cities resembling Bangladesh is people of other races, that's kinda the definition of racism. If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's probably a closet racist.

The people make the nation. Change the people and the nation changes with it. Very simple concept to understand that is being proved everyday in this country. Natives are being demographically replaced in our homeland, but because we're white native displacement is considered a moral good. Soon British children are going to grow up as hated minorities in their own country. The clock is ticking...

the fruits of being a coloniser

So it's about revenge? Not exactly on to a winner with that argument. 99.99% of Britons had nothing to do with the British Empire. Just say you have an anti-white bloodlust and shut up

no, its just a result of a worldwide empire. i love whites and certianly wont shut up in the face of an ignorant one.