Yes this is an important thing to understand. People are interested in their own lives and a crazy ruler is just a form of entertainment in most people's lives. If they are effective with delivering quick economic results then they are good entertainers and are delivering some positives then fine - so why think more about this? It's demeaning to even take a fascist seriously so why bother doing so? In Germany we know why.

It is worrying that the far right parties are gaining to much support in Europe, and we should never take our eye off the ball and learn from history what can happen when you do...

You speak like leftism is the only legitimate political ideology.

Hate to be the bearer of bad news but there is no left what we have are a bunch of globalists run by the rich (WEF) pretending to be left(the right aint much better) while sending lots of our tax payers cash and weapons to a bunch of nazi`s who took over Ukraine in a coup financed by the US who by the way also funded the 3rd Reich and only joined the fight in Europe when it looked like their little puppet the mad Austrian was going to get his butt kicked and Germany occupied by the Red Army.
Their plan is sinister it is to send all you youngsters to die in battle so they dont end up with a pension crisis after stealing all the pension monies.
Yes the 3rd great human cull has already started.

the nature of misinformation is to use real facts and riff bullshit forward. that's sad in this case because there are some valid points that can be drawn from the cupla truths you have here.

Sadly we going to be finding out very soon that the majority of Americans want a semi-Fascist state the same with the uk population too

ring really reminds me of the gestapo, they rolled almost exclusively through ordinary informants. people with fucked up biases are having their day.

The 1st thing Goebels did was put a device in everyone's home.

why do they keep designing things to look like hal? doesnt anyone remember how the movie ends?

I usually pass out way before the end

where there are informants there is vendetta, blackmail and corruption

Any smart device

Why the dystopian views are always referred to Nazism and not to Communism? They are basically the same shit, and Communism looks much more dangerous to me, because it "succeeded" for many more years, in many more countries, and for some reason has that glamorous look to so many idiots...

Germany became increasingly polarized with people espousing Marxism on one side and Law and Order on the other. This is exactly how it feels in America now.

LOL very interesting take on history there

? pretty much the mainstream view on this for germany as well as austria and italy

AND JUST LIKE IN NAZI GERMANY YOU HAVE PEOPLE BEING APOLOGISTS BECAUSE OF "COMMUNISM". AT LEAST IT WAS ACTUALLY FUCKING COMMUNISM BACK THEN AND NOT JUST WHATEVER IS NOT ON THE RIGHT

and fucking communism works wonders for the ugly

from each according to his sperm

In times of economic and political strife extremists always rise, whether left or right wing...it doesn't matter, they are reactionary's. For example the liberal left intend destruction of things about history that upset them much in the same way Nazi's in Germany burned books. People need to learn from History and rarely do, the same mistakes are repeated and things somehow trundle on. 'Good times bring weak people', 'Weak people bring bad times', 'Bad times bring strong people' & 'Strong people bring good times'. The great circle of human history.

I thought it was the republicans (ie the right) in America banning certain aspects of history they don’t like.

Who are the liberal left?

Edit
I’m not trying to start an argument I’m trying to understand

lol it's different in different countries. A conservative in the US is different from a conservative in the UK.

As an example the BLM movement (btw I support equal rights for all races, genders etc.) have tried to expunge slavery and that part of history. Taking down statues of former slaveholders and so on won't change anything, we must remember these things happened so that they don't happen again.

Because of slow or no change for certain groups there is an attempt to accelerate that change from an evolution to a revolution. People will only be backed into a corner for so long whatever their political inclinations. Some people think they're pushing for positive change but real change is when we've learned the lesson.

Thanks for the response mate.

I still don’t get the tearing down statues of slave owners equates to trying to erase the history. Statues aren’t history they glorify the subjects for posterity.

Is it still a massive issue over there around the teaching of CRT?

Well the statues are an example. They are subjects for posterity but they also memorialise history and certain points in history. As such they connect themselves to that history.

I basically agree with you though, they aren't the history themselves and so it shouldn't matter. It's what they represent that makes the difference.

I feel that whether right or left wing, people have an agenda and push that. Both different sides of the same coin I'd say.

Also CRT?

Thanks for the response mate.

I see statues as a way to venerate the individual and what they stand for. Cultures generally don’t put up statues of twats. So the slavers statues should all come down imo.

CRT
Critical Race Theory

Yeah np, I don't mind a bit of debate.

Again I do agree with the first part of what you said. Statues certainly venerate people, but also events. However cultures not putting up statues of 'twats'...well...that's a matter of perspective.

There are many examples of people that put up statues of people who are considered great or influential in their time and place. Those same people and statues are considered later, or by another group to be somehow offensive or detestable.

I'm not gona say that something like slavery in the U.S. wasn't a terrible thing, it defo was. I do think that removing something that is generally offensive to the majority should be considered. It's just that we also need to learn from these things and replace them with something that educates people about the history surrounding them so as to understand the bigger picture.

But yeah CRT, I am familiar with it...bit of a deep and complicated topic. But to answer your original question about that, yes I believe it is still something of a hot topic within education in the UK. I believe the Tories here (conservatives) said they felt CRT was biased, in other words trying to ram anti-racism down kids throats without opposing viewpoints.

This is a quote from the Equalities Minister, "Any school which teaches these elements of critical race theory, or which promotes partisan political views such as defunding the police without offering a balanced treatment of opposing views, is breaking the law".

So yeah interesting, jeez this turned into an essay XD

Thanks man I do appreciate your time and input.

It’s good to hear it from someone on the ground so to speak we just get fed what the media want us to hear

I do find CRT and the defund the police movements different. One is a collection of scholars etc critically evaluating how society has impacted people of all races and the defund the police is a social movement in response to innocent black people getting killed by police

Have I got that right?

You sound very naïve & to support CRT is crazy, hope you don't spout the sort of nonsense politics we see above IRL.

I don’t know how supporting a data driven legal critical evaluation by experts as naive maybe I’m missing something in your post as it doesn’t really make sense and yes i do discuss this topic and others with real people

an act of desecration is often more a monument of history than the original statue

Watching the Plot Against America on Sky and it’s easy to see how Facism takes hold. Not dissimilar to Trump’s America.

this old post is aging disturbingly well

I don't expect many to understand, and it's not something you can relate to unless you've walked a similar path,but... during my traveling work days, I experienced more than once the need to carry a firearm.
permitted to carry concealed, allowed me the chance to go back home and see my family again.
you are entitled free speech and your freedom of views, just remember, the crime or bad folks don't follow ANY rules and could care less about your politics. take away the good man's right to protect himself, and become their next target, as security is just a word.
(understand that police have NO obigation to protect you or your family, they strictly uphold the law...)

very honest explanation, i disagree with extra respect.

You make a fine point but the statistics don’t lie. A developed country shouldn’t be 4th on a list with these others.

Top 10 Countries with the Highest Murder Rates (per 100k people) in 2017:*

El Salvador (61.7)
Honduras (41.0)
Venezuela (49.9)
United States Virgin Islands (49.3 [2012 data])
Jamaica (56.4)
Lesotho (43.6 [[2016 data]] per 100k people)
Belize (37.8)
Saint Vincent And The Grenadines (36.5 [2016 data])
Saint Kitts And Nevis (36.1 [2012 data])
South Africa (35.7)

no biggz, that's the virgin islands, an unincorporated territory of a few hundred meters.

Yes I was too hasty with that;) thanks

still kinda weird its a murder capital

USA are #64 in World rankings for intentional homicides/100k people

damn straight.

Because freedom is only delivered through the end of a gun (unfortunately)

And if you don’t have a gun someone with a gun will take your freedom away

The only part of history you can guarantee is true freedom comes at the end of a sword/gun

i don't think the american colonies outgunned england and i'm sure that's not how it went down in india or in the 1990s in eastern europe.

freedom is obtained through will and persistence like a lot of things around this earth.

Gandhi would agree.

This is it, no tyrannical regime, dictator, kings or queens taking the piss were ever overthrown through mediation and peaceful actions, fire meets fire literally.

I'll go with the penis fixation. I don't own a gun - don't want one - guns are for killing. It's the second amendment in the American Bible, er, "Bill of Rights". Funny thing is that the pro-life people are usually pro-gun. Just doesn't make sense.

Guns do not kill... the person using it KILLS... I use them to kill clay pigeons. and just imagine it's someone i hate. lol ;)

By that reasoning the murder rate in the likes of El Salvador, Honduras etc. is purely down to the types of people that live there and not to the availability of guns. Obviously incorrect. You need someone willing to kill AND a gun to shoot someone dead.

I simply don't understand how a bunch of dead white men "grant" me my rights.

Would it help if they were live black women?

Tremendously.

I am not black but I am a 6'5' 300+ pound white mail. when I get out of my car I have yet seen my public servent have his on his gun when he see's me. I have never been shot , but I have been scared you never know when They might get scared and shoot. I am always as helpful and curtice I can makke cause I want to live and pissing of armed cops is not a healthy way to live. When they start treating you like shit , remember it will you a lot more then it will him.

Not saying you're fat but it's interesting that fat white dudes are credible rappers and also eyed by the police like black dudes.

Probably not.

No one can grant anyone rights, unless we agree that they can. Plenty folks will tell you you're not free unless unless always unless. You are free if you say you are. And you're not if you're not (royal you, not you you, but yes, also you 😜). You can be in a prison cell and be totally free. You can be a rich fat white cunt with acres of land and be completely imprisoned. It's in the mind. Sure, there may well be folks who contest your freedom, tell you you're not free, tell you you must this and you mustn't that if you want your "rights" intact. Nonsense. There, that's my two penny's (or cents, since the topic started in the US) spent and I'm skint for the night.

They didn’t. Our rights are God given and they are inalienable. The Bill of Rights protects them, or at least that’s how it’s supposed to work.

I’m not trying to start something here but I really want to understand how these rights are God given. Can you explain?

That’s ok. We are born free and we are born with certain God given rights, which are inalienable. This is just the way it is, like having a right to clean drinking water. We have the right to protect ourselves and our property. In the UK we still have the right to bear arms, but it has been hidden from us using legislation and obfuscation. Most people don’t understand that they are supposed to be free, so they put up with buffoons and paedo Freemasons dictating what they can and can’t do. This is one of the reasons why we pay income tax, which is unlawful but not illegal. The law is simple: No loss, no harm, no injury, no fraud.

Straw man stuff really opened my mind a good decade ago. The financial system is a good place to begin ones journey back into realising one was always free and one just didn't know it. Look at me, getting all queenly with the "ones". Did you say freemasons? 😉

Thanks for the response Camber I appreciate it but I’m still struggling with the God given bit. It’s not as if Moses came down from the mountain with a commandment saying Americans can have AR15s. I don’t mean to sound flippant I just don’t understand it

That’s ok, you’re not coming across as flippant.
“God given” is simply a term. It applies to atheists as well. Try to understand what it means to be born a free man. Eg: Monetisation of another man’s labour, without his consent, is slavery and it is unlawful. So why do we pay income tax? Did you consent to this?
The Founding Fathers were Christians, hence ‘God given’ Replace ‘God given’ with ‘pre-existing’

I edited my reply to you and it seems to have moved it from the thread, or did it?

It was a rural place and hunting was very common. If you start from that perspective and then think of the government coming in and taking the guns away you start to understand.

Not being American but my take on it is simply history, god made men Samuel Colt made all men equal… You can hunt so can provide for yourself and your family, you can defend yourself and your family from threats, and I guess Homer said it best with ‘If You Don't Have A Gun, The King Of England Can Just Walk In Here And Shove You Around’ And for Americans it was true, it’s the reason they were free, the gun. I think the vast majority of people would agree if there were NO guns then the world would be a better place, BUT if bad guys, police, army have guns and you don’t then you’re simply powerless to anyones will. So if they have guns yeah I also want a gun.

If arms were evenly distributed throughout history the world would be a better place.

I could be wrong but I’m sure the law to carry guns came into action as to kill Indians as white man was expanding in America.?

WHEN WILL WOMEN IN YOUR COUNTY GET THE SAME RIGHTS AS GUNS.

1. The Wild West is recent history in a young nation and was really really wild. Ditto the Civil War.
2. Hollywood is real. The good guy always shoots the bad guy. (With armed private citizens this is hardly ever the outcome, but who cares about reality?)
3. A lot of yanks are cunts?

I think this sums it all up

penis fixation/fear of loosing penis/fear of death

The right to bear arms is to shoot the British, not the Indians. The theory is if everyone has guns, the government can't be oppressive and tyrannical. In practice, however, you just end up with gut-shot schoolkids. Guns are fun though tbf

They need their guns lots of wild animals running about on two legs out their nuts on prescription drugs with guns.
Vicious circle where the usual suspects make lots of cash from social chaos and scaring the population.
Man you would think we would be over all this crap by now smh

It’s a national identity! They feel they wouldn’t be Americans without the ability to kill somebody instantly.

They won't let control guns but they want to stop abortions Ain't we dumb

It might be useful to differentiate the American people and American foreign policy. It seems you have conflated the two, whereas looking at the American people and domestic policy might yield better results. Guns are completely illegal in China and as we all know, China is one of the most liberated places to live on the planet! The second amendment in the US was created to provide a constitutional check on congressional power was as an auxiliary right, supporting the natural rights of self-defense and resistance to oppression. My family live in the USA and right now, gun ownership is anything from a penis fixation, it's security and peace of mind. I would rather get shot than stabbed any day of the week. Knife crime is equally as concerning in my book.

Yes... China is that liberated.... they even give away their viruses for free.

I'm hoping that you picked up the sarcasm in my 'China is liberated' comment. Reading it back, it doesn't come across too clearly.

hear ya my friend. thought i was doing the same ;) with your comment. i read it both ways (with/without sarcasm) I wouldn't criticise either. just own my private thoughts lol. stay as safe as this "Pandemic" will let you. Gaz

Oh that's made my night that comment has.

ok what day is good for you

Fridays are cool with me :)

sorry Fridays I'm in love would you accept a heart atttack on say Wednesday or Thursday

Hernia Mondays?

No, the founding fathers recognised the likely leadership America was likely to get would be those psychopaths you identify - a neolib psychopathic war machine at the helm. Without the right to bear arms, the citizens of the US would be unable to defend themselves against these psychos in control. Have you not noticed that the MSM (totally controlled by the same psychos) is relentlessly pushing for "gun control" - can you not see their agenda here? To disarm the citizens of the US would be to disarm all potential opposition to these globalist psychopaths in their pursuit of a NWO, hence the relentless media to demonize gun ownership. Are you are aware that you are statistically more likely to die from an unprovoked knife wound in London than you are to die from an "unprovoked" gun shooting in the US?

And now a new generation is fighting for freedom from a militarized police force that Reagan enabled.

We are not fighting the real issues.

Absolutely true, the vast majority of people spend their entire lives arguing, debating and fighting over bullshit like "left vs right" and they are so caught up in it that they can't see that they aren't fighting any real issues whatsoever, just distracting themselves from the actual underlying problems!

we as a species have no enemies, the government and media are creating problems for people to divide over, because with this constant divide we will never be united enough to bring on a revolution.

Couldn't say it better

My favorite criminal president, huge drug dealer.. the list of evil is very long.

Yeah fucker charged me for NDD and I waited for over a week!

what does hate always bring? war. the only question is the battlefield.

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Bankruptcy if history is any precedent

Well, bankruptcy is how the Federal Reserve, a private bank, gained control over the US government in the first place.

Lots of companies go bankrupt its just part of the game

4 fucking times? That's not playing the game that's playing everyone you can - which is exactly what he's doing by running for President.

Trump University was another fuck you to anyone that believes in him.

Where do the apologists way in on this one?

NADA, as far as I can tell they don't have shit to say, not even the Nazi tactics of attacking their attacker!

It shouldn't be a game! It should be a second chance. When it becomes a game, it's time to change the laws.

Fascism according to the New Yorker

He'll just be a puppet for some real money interests, like all US presidents of the last 20 odd years. 2 party system is laughable.

It goes back much farther than 20 years... at least 100, or more.

The 2 party system is the biggest joke of all. There is a glimmer of hope...proportional representation. It is not widely used in the US, but is more common in Europe, and other countries. That's why you may see news about a country having problems forming a workable government after an election, because the parties are forced to work with whomever the people elect. As opposed to our 2 party system where we are forced to choose between the 'lesser of two evils'!

This group has been working to promote it in the US, and give good examples, and information.

It seems like proportional representation would give people a voice. Otherwise outrage is the only way to garner attention.

He stated he wants a strong elite Military so if the start goose stepping I'm going to have to run like and hell out a here

Alien invasion

By most surveys of freedom at least 15 countries.

By number of people outside of prison every country on earth.

Not just number its the percent of people living in jail and its not only Number 1, it's 5x that of nearly any country and more than 2x the number 2 prison mill, Russia.

Things are not getting better, they are getting worse because the prison industry is embedded into the state.

“if all drug cases were eliminated, the US imprisonment rate would still have quadrupled over the past thirty-five years.”"

How free is a country where 1/3 of the population is considered by its government to be criminals?

At some point any maybe we are there now it's like the lack of a criminal record says something about a person

Scotland! Freeedom!

Be careful lad, her Highness doesn't like it when her subjects get out of line.