I don't expect many to understand, and it's not something you can relate to unless you've walked a similar path,but... during my traveling work days, I experienced more than once the need to carry a firearm.
permitted to carry concealed, allowed me the chance to go back home and see my family again.
you are entitled free speech and your freedom of views, just remember, the crime or bad folks don't follow ANY rules and could care less about your politics. take away the good man's right to protect himself, and become their next target, as security is just a word.
(understand that police have NO obigation to protect you or your family, they strictly uphold the law...)

very honest explanation, i disagree with extra respect.

You make a fine point but the statistics don’t lie. A developed country shouldn’t be 4th on a list with these others.

Top 10 Countries with the Highest Murder Rates (per 100k people) in 2017:*

El Salvador (61.7)
Honduras (41.0)
Venezuela (49.9)
United States Virgin Islands (49.3 [2012 data])
Jamaica (56.4)
Lesotho (43.6 [[2016 data]] per 100k people)
Belize (37.8)
Saint Vincent And The Grenadines (36.5 [2016 data])
Saint Kitts And Nevis (36.1 [2012 data])
South Africa (35.7)

no biggz, that's the virgin islands, an unincorporated territory of a few hundred meters.

Yes I was too hasty with that;) thanks

still kinda weird its a murder capital

USA are #64 in World rankings for intentional homicides/100k people

damn straight.

Because freedom is only delivered through the end of a gun (unfortunately)

And if you don’t have a gun someone with a gun will take your freedom away

The only part of history you can guarantee is true freedom comes at the end of a sword/gun

This is it, no tyrannical regime, dictator, kings or queens taking the piss were ever overthrown through mediation and peaceful actions, fire meets fire literally.

i don't think the american colonies outgunned england and i'm sure that's not how it went down in india or in the 1990s in eastern europe.

freedom is obtained through will and persistence like a lot of things around this earth.

Gandhi would agree.

I'll go with the penis fixation. I don't own a gun - don't want one - guns are for killing. It's the second amendment in the American Bible, er, "Bill of Rights". Funny thing is that the pro-life people are usually pro-gun. Just doesn't make sense.

Guns do not kill... the person using it KILLS... I use them to kill clay pigeons. and just imagine it's someone i hate. lol ;)

By that reasoning the murder rate in the likes of El Salvador, Honduras etc. is purely down to the types of people that live there and not to the availability of guns. Obviously incorrect. You need someone willing to kill AND a gun to shoot someone dead.

I wish the Bill of Rights was viewed as a bible around here.

Would it help if they were live black women?

Tremendously.

I am not black but I am a 6'5' 300+ pound white mail. when I get out of my car I have yet seen my public servent have his on his gun when he see's me. I have never been shot , but I have been scared you never know when They might get scared and shoot. I am always as helpful and curtice I can makke cause I want to live and pissing of armed cops is not a healthy way to live. When they start treating you like shit , remember it will you a lot more then it will him.

Not saying you're fat but it's interesting that fat white dudes are credible rappers and also eyed by the police like black dudes.

Probably not.

No one can grant anyone rights, unless we agree that they can. Plenty folks will tell you you're not free unless unless always unless. You are free if you say you are. And you're not if you're not (royal you, not you you, but yes, also you 😜). You can be in a prison cell and be totally free. You can be a rich fat white cunt with acres of land and be completely imprisoned. It's in the mind. Sure, there may well be folks who contest your freedom, tell you you're not free, tell you you must this and you mustn't that if you want your "rights" intact. Nonsense. There, that's my two penny's (or cents, since the topic started in the US) spent and I'm skint for the night.

They didn’t. Our rights are God given and they are inalienable. The Bill of Rights protects them, or at least that’s how it’s supposed to work.

I’m not trying to start something here but I really want to understand how these rights are God given. Can you explain?

That’s ok. We are born free and we are born with certain God given rights, which are inalienable. This is just the way it is, like having a right to clean drinking water. We have the right to protect ourselves and our property. In the UK we still have the right to bear arms, but it has been hidden from us using legislation and obfuscation. Most people don’t understand that they are supposed to be free, so they put up with buffoons and paedo Freemasons dictating what they can and can’t do. This is one of the reasons why we pay income tax, which is unlawful but not illegal. The law is simple: No loss, no harm, no injury, no fraud.

Straw man stuff really opened my mind a good decade ago. The financial system is a good place to begin ones journey back into realising one was always free and one just didn't know it. Look at me, getting all queenly with the "ones". Did you say freemasons? 😉

Thanks for the response Camber I appreciate it but I’m still struggling with the God given bit. It’s not as if Moses came down from the mountain with a commandment saying Americans can have AR15s. I don’t mean to sound flippant I just don’t understand it

That’s ok, you’re not coming across as flippant.
“God given” is simply a term. It applies to atheists as well. Try to understand what it means to be born a free man. Eg: Monetisation of another man’s labour, without his consent, is slavery and it is unlawful. So why do we pay income tax? Did you consent to this?
The Founding Fathers were Christians, hence ‘God given’ Replace ‘God given’ with ‘pre-existing’

I edited my reply to you and it seems to have moved it from the thread, or did it?

It was a rural place and hunting was very common. If you start from that perspective and then think of the government coming in and taking the guns away you start to understand.

Not being American but my take on it is simply history, god made men Samuel Colt made all men equal… You can hunt so can provide for yourself and your family, you can defend yourself and your family from threats, and I guess Homer said it best with ‘If You Don't Have A Gun, The King Of England Can Just Walk In Here And Shove You Around’ And for Americans it was true, it’s the reason they were free, the gun. I think the vast majority of people would agree if there were NO guns then the world would be a better place, BUT if bad guys, police, army have guns and you don’t then you’re simply powerless to anyones will. So if they have guns yeah I also want a gun.

If arms were evenly distributed throughout history the world would be a better place.

I could be wrong but I’m sure the law to carry guns came into action as to kill Indians as white man was expanding in America.?

WHEN WILL WOMEN IN YOUR COUNTY GET THE SAME RIGHTS AS GUNS.

1. The Wild West is recent history in a young nation and was really really wild. Ditto the Civil War.
2. Hollywood is real. The good guy always shoots the bad guy. (With armed private citizens this is hardly ever the outcome, but who cares about reality?)
3. A lot of yanks are cunts?

I think this sums it all up

penis fixation/fear of loosing penis/fear of death

The right to bear arms is to shoot the British, not the Indians. The theory is if everyone has guns, the government can't be oppressive and tyrannical. In practice, however, you just end up with gut-shot schoolkids. Guns are fun though tbf

They need their guns lots of wild animals running about on two legs out their nuts on prescription drugs with guns.
Vicious circle where the usual suspects make lots of cash from social chaos and scaring the population.
Man you would think we would be over all this crap by now smh

It’s a national identity! They feel they wouldn’t be Americans without the ability to kill somebody instantly.

They won't let control guns but they want to stop abortions Ain't we dumb

It might be useful to differentiate the American people and American foreign policy. It seems you have conflated the two, whereas looking at the American people and domestic policy might yield better results. Guns are completely illegal in China and as we all know, China is one of the most liberated places to live on the planet! The second amendment in the US was created to provide a constitutional check on congressional power was as an auxiliary right, supporting the natural rights of self-defense and resistance to oppression. My family live in the USA and right now, gun ownership is anything from a penis fixation, it's security and peace of mind. I would rather get shot than stabbed any day of the week. Knife crime is equally as concerning in my book.

Yes... China is that liberated.... they even give away their viruses for free.

I'm hoping that you picked up the sarcasm in my 'China is liberated' comment. Reading it back, it doesn't come across too clearly.

hear ya my friend. thought i was doing the same ;) with your comment. i read it both ways (with/without sarcasm) I wouldn't criticise either. just own my private thoughts lol. stay as safe as this "Pandemic" will let you. Gaz

Oh that's made my night that comment has.

ok what day is good for you

Fridays are cool with me :)

sorry Fridays I'm in love would you accept a heart atttack on say Wednesday or Thursday

Hernia Mondays?

No, the founding fathers recognised the likely leadership America was likely to get would be those psychopaths you identify - a neolib psychopathic war machine at the helm. Without the right to bear arms, the citizens of the US would be unable to defend themselves against these psychos in control. Have you not noticed that the MSM (totally controlled by the same psychos) is relentlessly pushing for "gun control" - can you not see their agenda here? To disarm the citizens of the US would be to disarm all potential opposition to these globalist psychopaths in their pursuit of a NWO, hence the relentless media to demonize gun ownership. Are you are aware that you are statistically more likely to die from an unprovoked knife wound in London than you are to die from an "unprovoked" gun shooting in the US?

piccard beats the new movies but the mandalorian beats piccard.

discovery beats - oh wait star wars doesnt have another live action series

deprecated federation boy

Star Trek. Star Wars is now just like when Shatner was hanging on as an old man.

This. Way too many senior moments in episode 7

Star Trek is a rehash, Star Wars is adding great new things to a large, living universe.

Do you mean Jar Jar Binks was a great new thing? No, that was an omen of things to come. As for the new trilogy, somebody must have been put in charge of supplying adult diapers to the original cast members. Probably changed them as well.

jar jar binks would have been awesome in the muppets, this is exactly why you need the right agent folks

jar jar is a bigga, this is like a joint for him

Both franchises are getting as old as mythology, this op ed piece from syfy (yes they have op-ed pieces :) ) hits it on the money for Trek.

Its all about clean breathing equipment.

Have to agree, kirk is my favourite but his last few was hard to defend.

I like both though lately they have both been crap film wise but i would say star wars is better just from their tv series The Mandalorian its a great show and they have some really talented producers cutting their teeth on it,if they can keep up the quality with the new shows they announced coming then the future looks bright for them,Star Trek tv show on the other hand is bollocks and needs to stop dicking around changing canon.

I think they have both been rubbish for a long time. Probably since the 80's. Just milking it.

That still doesn't answer the question, you must choose.

Ok, then. Had to think about it for a while. Going to go with Star Wars.. Final decision was made because someone rammed a Star Destroyer in Rogue One.

Star trek always has always will be.

Star wars

Nation states are the R and D department for (other) criminal hackers. Every trick they come up with to fuck with each other is used to attack businesses and then individuals.

They are still just copying apple