if you change communism to community then you dont have to go very far for an answer

If you shit in a pint glass, it looks like mud!

the family fridge

I don't think Communism has ever worked as Capitalists are always creaming off the top.

A great book on the subject is Eat The Rich by the US satirist (and huge drug consumer) P.J. O'Rourke. I think his and my politics are probably polar opposites, but you could get fucked up at a party with him and have an amazing time. Anyway, good book. Breaks down all sorts of different political stances, and Good Communism is one chapter, and Bad Communism another. He's a funny guy, but maybe don't consider it as in depth reasoned academic analysis.

Ah, fuck. He died in 2022. No future parties.

German Peasant's War (where the word communism derives), Paris Commune, two Russian revolutions minus the Bolsheviks, Makhnochina, Spanish revolution, German revolution, May 68, etc. etc. etc.

Losing in the first half don't mean the game's over.

kibbutzes

The reason you don't hear any success stories is because there ain't none.

Come on down voters give me a success story if you don't like the truth?? Bloody Marxists never except that it doesn't work. What ever iteration you can think of it WONT WORK!!!! everyone being the same sucks the fun out of life accept that hard work pays!

I'm not advocating for Communism but our society is full of people grafting their respective genitalia off that are still struggling financially. The idea that hard work pays ( properly) is a idea propagated by people seeking to exploit the labour of others. Nobody should need to claim benefits whilst working full time and yet...
Fwiw, I do advocate for a mixed economy. Nationalised energy, health, water, public transport etc and luxuries at the will of the free market.

You shouldn't be allowed to claim any benefits while in full time employment. It's crazy, we are basically subsidising employers who ought to be paying more.

And I hope that, one day, employers decide paying a living wage is more important than ever increasing profits such that in work benefits are no longer necessary. I propose a link between maximum and minimum pay within an organisation. Let's say; no pay ( overall package including bonuses, perks and dividends) higher than 5x the lowest full time salary.

it wouldn't even have to be a regulation, the government does business with so many companies and beneficiaries. if they don't have these multiples in place no people's funds.

employers don't make that call so much as owners do and when the owner is the stock market it's quite blind to anything but profits.

when the owners are the employees this changes priorities.

Exactly this - capitalism needs the grafters, the hardworking cogs to keep coming in to replace those that fall off or fall through the cracks.

"that hard work pays" is often true and the capitalists don't only pontificate this to the masses they teach it to their children. children they practise communism with.

I’m sure there are loads they just don’t teach us about them. Capitalism doesn’t work either does it? Too many greedy pocket filling bastards. We are all the same having money doesn’t make you better than anyone else, the fact you are here spouting this shows what a sad state the world is in 😞

You should look into some unbiased reporting on the soviet Union, and some witness statements from the older generation who lived through it.

You will find that many of them tell you life was better in the USSR, than in post USSR Eastern Europe and Russia. Besides that they were several decades ahead of the west on womens rights and social services.

But like anything good, the Americans bring it down from the inside, or out, USSR, Great Britain, either way. Their media controls the narritive, and communism effects their ability to steal all the money. There is a reason Cinema is oversaturated with anti Communist rhetoric.

I'd honestly rather have the worst communist government, than be America number 2.

i'd settle for being ireland number 0.5 :)

they currently have more than double the uk's gdp per capita

Yeah and east germany was the most successful communist country of all, just ask anyone that wasn't killed trying to leave.

Have you ever listened to Konstantin Kisin? A Jewish family - He moved when he was 9 from the ussr to England at the end of the soviet Union just before the fall. His first hand account of his own life tells a very different story to what you describe.

under capitalism hard work has never paid and never will pay lmfao. communism actually prioritises labour, capitalism is about fat pigs at the top skimming off 99% of the profit we produce for them. do you not find it utterly insane tesco has like 5 different in-house brands with varying prices for essentially the same product? or that having less money means you have to settle for lower quality products that are worse for you and spoil faster?

Hard work paid off massively for Western capitalists . We've been living like Kings until the last few decades . No people have ever had it so good as Western capitalists .
Currently the economy is suffering because of the Globalist Communist agenda .
Flooding every Western country with Immigrants drives down the wages of the workers . Capitalism leads to innovation , freedom , and wealth if done right . Blaming rich people is just lazy . It's not the elites riches that are the problem , It's their communist ideology .
Immigration and foreign birth rates are at the level where native Brits will be a minority in the UK in 40 years . Those are the official ONS figures .
We already have communists in charge and things only look to be getting worse .

Who did you get those shrooms off mate, they sound the shit, cos you are completely off your St George-tatted beer-tits and out of your crazy little mind.

I notice a trend of ad hominem attacks barely disguised as actual discourse on this apparently serious thread. Very productive. Honestly, I would rather side with the St George's tatted fat bald man than somebody who wants to destroy the concept of meritocracy.

So, you don't think lifting 4/5ths of the world out of relative poverty can be considered "paying off"?
OK Che, communism good 🤣👌

there are children starving in this very country

do you have a source for this? not trying to challenge so much as i would like to learn more about it. maybe there is even a way the community could help.

food for the hungry is legit and accepts crypto

there are community outreach programs and obviously government funded systems like food banks to help, but the crisis only really exists because the capitalist system is designed that way. we have the resources to end world hunger but it's not economically beneficial so it will never happen

these are sources on food insecurity in the uk for 2023 and 2024:
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9209/
https://foodfoundation.org.uk/initiatives/food-insecurity-tracking#tabs/Round-15

Communists do not want to end world hunger . They're as greedy as capitalists . People are just greedy . Communism wont change that . Communists are always authoritarian because the people don't want it .

Does the existence of those children make anything I said less true?
Strawman though. I didn't make a claim that there is no poverty in any country. I think you missed the qualifiers "relative" and "4/5ths" of the world.
I would say, that "starving" inarguably applies to way less than 1 in 5 children in the UK, US or anywhere in the West which makes your point about the ills of capitalism fairly moot in context.
I am no fan of cronyism, and I don't think capitalism is utopia, but it's insane to try and persuade anybody that communism would do better than this.
Thanks for the downvotes. I have over a thousand upvotes and less than 30 down.
Drop me a line next time you are tipping your bathwater into the atalantic. I'll do it too 🤣

"I have over a thousand upvotes and less than 30 down"

This is one of the saddest things I've ever read on the internet xD

This is one of the saddest things I've read , I bet you love redit , you little conformist . No wonder you're a communist .

You stop your quotations at an expedient place. If you would have been less disingenuous about your framing, you would be honest about the fact that the reason I said it was to point out that the users who's position I criticised (fairly and civilly) had no reply apart from the futile downvotes, as I was describing.
If I was trying to persuade anybody of anything about me with only what you have entered in your own quotation marks as the context then I'd tend to agree with you. Given that you have totally taken it out of the context it was said (I mean it was clear the previous person was making downvotes vexatiously, in place of an actual cogent argument against what I was saying.
I think you probably know that, but don't care because you disagree with me 🤣 how about tackle me with some argumental substance rather than downvotes.
So, yeah, moot point. Wind your neck in mush.

TLDR

Too triggered ?

Ah, the Lords prayer of the troll world.
In other words, you have nothing worth saying because you are too vacuous to argue your way out of the little communist hole you dug 🤣
Thick.

They start these threads and then as soon as they get the tiniest bit of push back , they throw their toys out the pram . It's pathetic . Our society really has dumbed down over the last few decades .

found the reddit moderator 😂

Also , Reddit is a lefty platform , you dizzy fool .

you're the one bragging you have more "upvotes" LMFAO idgaf abt your little schizo politics debate

Schizo is making new accounts to support yourself by downvoting people who are pointing out your STUPIDITY 🤣🤣🤣 you absolute weapon

yes mate IM the schizophrenic while you accuse me of being everyone in the thread you disagree with, fucking hilarious get yourself sectioned spastic

You haven't disagreed with me by your own admission you silly cunt. You just downvoted all the comments you could see I made. If you had anything smart to say, you could actually argue against em. But , you're a communist apparently judging by your up votes 🤣 So you contradict your own argument there.
Like I said, the problem isn't just your own lack or brain power - it's you thinking that everybody else has the same logical shortcomings as you do. You, my friend are a vacuous, greasy, retarded, communist fuckwit.

another wall of text 🥱

Are you illiterate? I mean, I have made much more effort to talk about the subject matter than you, clearly. You stick to attacking my character it will prove communism as the solution to the world's problems.

These people are actually communists living in 2025 on planet earth man. How can they be anything other than totally retarded? Nothing makes sense and when you point it out all they can do is down vote you with nothing further to say.

Do you mean the actual communists who don't want to respond to fair and cogent points about their lack of reasoning?

Did you not like my comments ? Boo Hoo , you communist snowflake . Get an argument or get out of the public square . No one cares about your feelings , little girl .

am i part of the "global communist agenda"? 😂😂😂 you're clearly a fucking nutter why would i argue against your schizophrenic ramblings?

All downvotes in the same minute greenbeans. Hmm somebody else did that. I wouldn't be surprised if you were cherry cola and Chicago punk too. More evidence that communists are absolutely retarded. Not only that, they think everybody else is as retarded as them 🤣

HAHAHAHAHA you're literally a schizophrenic 😂😂😂😂 you think everyone's making hundreds of accounts to gangstalk you over the fact you bragged you have 1000 upvotes, delusional 😂😂 maybe you just say retarded things and people downvote it dumb fuck

Your account was created in May 2025 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Dude, I don't care enough about this to make things up. I have been on this platform for years and I know a sad bastard trying to give themselves support with alts when I see it. Dude, if I am that much of a dumb fuck, saying retarded things then you would have a platform to get into actual discussion on this rather than runaway scared of debate and replace that with a downvote.

doubling down on that im an alt gangstalking you, all over like 3 downvotes 😂😂😂😂 absolute nutter

you're literally writing walls of texts crying over a few downvotes for giving your retarded political takes stfu snowflake

If my takes were so retarded you would actually have a way to rebut the arguments themselves rather than the relentless ad hominems you think is making some kind of difference..you literally have zero ability to talk about any of this, it is very clear. Why even become involved if you have "no opinion"? On the Internet on a Saturday morning on a subject matter you, apparently have no opinion on, arguing with strangers that you don't know. Really normal stuff 🙄

or i can just downvote them for being retarded and laugh at you for getting triggered and bragging abt your upvotes 😂

I'm not triggered at all. I came on to buy some hash. I don't think I have ever had 14 notifications from somebody I never interacted with 🤣🤣 I notice things that are strange, like any normal person. I mean you joined the platform last month - which was only 6 days ago potentially 🤣 to argue with strangers? Where's your buys? Lol

you're so triggered this is your 20th wall of text saying im gangstalking you with downvotes 😂😂😂

It was 7 downvotes within a minute the same as yours 2 days ago 🤣

😭😭😭😭😭😭 ooooohhhhh noooooo poor little you! 7 downvotes how will your ego ever recover?

Lefty logic . They don't know what they're saying . It's all based on emotion . Our culture has been overly feminised , but the men are coming back now. They'll soon learn respect .

Hey man, great discussion, and I'm no authority but I had to retort to your 'hard work pays' comment: I have to disagree, hard work doesn't pay - call me whatever but nurses, teachers, delivery drivers, anyone in public service, works their asses off for little pay and much abuse from all sides.

We exist in Capitalism and while hard work and 'hustle' works for a short period for a small number, hard work is not a critical proponent of Capitalism, that's increasingly evident, imo.

Nice alt greenbeans/cherry cola. I can't believe you are actually calling other people schizo and creating multiple accounts to appear to support yourself 🤣

you are a literal schizo, my comment was just insulting you for being a pathetic redditor bragging about 1000 upvotes ,never mentioned politics, this guys actually responding with points and now you dont respond because you schizophrenically think im him. 😂😂😂

hilarious thanks for proving your sanity

You didn't respond with any political talk aside from your comment about reddit that makes NO sense. Yes, you really didn't. But you did downvote every comment I made on this thread within a minute when you appeared on it before we had any interaction. Just as restricted account Tiger man did 🤣

you bragged about having 1000 upvotes which is pathetic redditor behaviour 😂 not that difficult to figure out as long as you arent an obsessed psychotic responding 5 times to a little comment, oh wait 😂😂😂

I'm actually really surprised that you are hating on reddit. There are so many commies on there that want everybody else to do the hard work for them. Sounds up your street.

There is. It's UK

I came here to say this. Glad someone else knows what's going on.

It's gradual. Socialism is the route to communism. The NHS, which we are all trained from an early age to worship, was one of the first big steps in socialism. Benefits too.

Do you all remember when Richard Madeley of all people called out Susan Michie for being a member of the Communist party? She was a main player in the 'behaviour science' part of the scamdemic. Do you remember how we were all pressured into performing that awful clap for the NHS gesture? That was like something out of North Korea/China, where citizens are softly compelled into worshipping the state - like those obvious crocodile tears that were shed over Kim of N Korea.

Ugh, most people are too close to it to see it but it is ABUNDANTLY clear.

I would recommend anyone to watch Yuri Bezmenovs lecture on how the west gets subverted to Communism. He was a soviet defector who used to subvert countries and bring them into the soviet fold for a living.

@Chambertin4 I wish we lived in the world you think we live in xD

The rich people who own the media want to push an ideology that stops them being able to hoarde all the wealth? care to explain how that makes sense?

I used to be an ignorant lefty too .
The simple answer is that they intend to be the rich people in charge of their Globalist communist state .
You should go do some research . It's a very eventful and interesting time .

im happy living right here

i think all the best examples of communism are monuments

open source software (you're soaking in it)

My wife, she’s very keen on redistributing my wealth.

The West is the best. Don't have a Mao

The only people with positive stories perished in the gulags.

"It was a laugh in the beginning, but things went steeply downhill shortly after."

seriously the first few years in the gulag are brilliant

Some people apparently laughed themselves to death.

I don't think you'll find any. They've tried it and hundreds of millions died. Ok in principle but man's greed quickly takes over.

yeah it's the trickery of it from the knowers side and the sheer gullibility from the mark.

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need"

To the naive person, this quote from Marx sounds like everyone will just pull their own weight for others and everyones needs will be met.

But with the benefit of hindsight, it is clearly a recipe for slave labour/the gulag system where each man is worked to his utmost but only has his basic needs met. Pretty clear with the benefit of hindsight.

There are no luxuries. Worked to the max, as much as your body can stand and in return you are provided a concrete bed, thin blanket and bowl of gruel twice a day. From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

Concrete bed?
This could easily be satire. Thanks for the laughs. xD

Yes, the realities of a fringe political experiment that has resulted in serious human disaster and loss of life every single time it has been tried makes great satire if you have your head so far in the sand that you can't and won't learn from the past. Come on Che, you are convincing nobody with your smarmy , condescending replies that do not rebut the subject matter. It's totally lazy.

Best example of communism... in the ground... deep in the ground with the devil from whence it came.

yet when everyone looks above and sees devils we know what cycle communism - or now capitalism - is in.

It doesn't work
Never has, never will.
The communists and socialists will tell you that " it just hasn't been done properly"
Problem is, they always need other peoples money to spend...

None. A demonstrably failed concept.

If we ask what communism is attempting which is elimination of hierarchy, collective ownership and resource equality it looks good on the surface but in reality if you look at Cuba and ask any Cuban that managed to fled the country they will tell you when communism is applied through force and suppression it disrupts and destroys instead of harmonising. Sadly we feel it never comes without corruption at it's core...maybe Vietnam?

Its a pipe dream, we are all living under an authoritarian dictatorship disguised as something else and it doesn't matter where you are that's just how it is.
What doesn't seem to be understood is that despite what you are led to believe nearly everyone in the world has more in common with eachother than they don't and non of the current leadership, the oligarchs or the current appointed shop floor managers (politicians) aren't doing anything about it.
And to get a rise from people.
China is winning on making it better and we are not allowed to participate in that.
Although realistically China is winning at the current version and realistically China has always been winning except for a minor blip.

Not exactly a success story but interesting fact. There are more cannabis users per capita in Communist North Korea than there are in any other country. They smoke to relieve the pain of living there.

Communism is inherently tyrannical. History shows that. There aren’t any examples of success for a reason. It goes against the human spirit. Millions more died die to its tyranny than under the Nazis but you never see documentaries on the BBC or Netflix about Stalin, Mao or Pol Pot. Capitalism isn’t perfect by a long way but meritocracy is natural and drives progress. People to an extent sort themselves into roles and structures on natural ability and interest. Socialism just teaches people to rely on the state whilst the state gets to dictate how people think and behave. It’s ideological tyranny on the one extreme and financial exploitation of a liberal society by the few on the other. My grandad was a carpenter and paid his subs to his union for years until he acknowledged the financial and ideological corruption that it was based on.

Cambodia - says it all.

It doesn’t work people become lazy and there will always be those who have and those who have nothing.

Argentina’s current turnaround under Javier Milei from socialist basket case to small state and low interference is what you should be talking about. We don’t need the public sector time to slash it.

We need to get our self respect back relying on the state has made us weak and pathetic.

We are already experiencing communism even in the modern world , it's a hybrid between communism and democracy , based on feelings and personal I , me Happiness and DEI.
Don't work , hand outs , nobody knows what a woman is , men are all monsters and rapists , everyone can be whatever they FEEL , massive division - past remembering - payouts for past events , people split into groups protesting, government is everything - Marxsism 1:1 .
You already have 6 - 7 nations that have fallen fighting for this aspect -
Argentina - down - Saved by Milei
Columbia - down
Venezuela - down
Chile - About to fall
Salvador - Down - But saved by Bukele
Australia - About to fall
USA - About to fall - massive border issues and most cities are walking dead with people zombies being poor and homeless.
UK - about to crash due to importing victimhood across all minorities , brits on mute mode not even saying anything to anyone.
Go woke in a country and your entire society crashes.
Capitalism + Merrit Based society is the only one working.
This has been in the works tho since the 90s - starting with the feminisation of men and masculinisation of women - Split up with your men , you can do whatever you want , then they wake up at 40's with a carrer , no fam and alone crying on Socials crying for a men.
Men - don't react , be soft , toxic masculinity , every reaction has been deemed as something is wrong with you.
Therapy is all processed from the perspective of a woman , so men don't go to that.
Men just kill themselves at some point due to loneliness , women keep talking and talking and move on.
This is where you are at in 2024 in the Western World's
So majority of people need to stop and go back to standards otherwise Societies crash entirely , we see the results Live ongoing
North Korea is the only one truly communist spot ON and it's only because the majority of the population simply wants to live like that , they don't know anything else , never did , not every nation is attracted to this notion of rich , poor ,progress yourself some just want to live like in a big Foster care home totally controlled.

There has never been one.
Governments, inherently are untrustworthy, the larger they are.
More proclivity to tyranny the smaller they are - which the libertarians are blind to.
There should be a lassez faire way to govern, with a balanced and adequately sized government.
Modern progressives don't like to hear this, but capitalism has lifted the world out of relative poverty, to the extent that nothing that came before it has been more beneficial to both quantity and quality of life.
Necessary evils are all around us. We think if we are selective about the ones we talk about, then the ones we don't want to talk about will disappear for some reason.

retard can't even spell laissez-faire 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Retard can't even argue against the substance of my position.
You've not made one good point about anything on this thread 🤣

This is fascinating, but we are handing something else over to AI, because it’s smarter than us. I think we are close to politicians asking it “how to run a country which will in turn, enrich my family and friends”. Or are we already there?

i agree but its good to note ai is not smarter then us
It is wrong quite often unless its a specialised model for a specific task

It's devolving into a war between corporations and customers and they seem to have all the weapons.

Then use their own weapons against them!

The Mings did it a lot more peacefully right before that

This is a reminder of what a primitive concept mercantilism is.

yes but govs cant let go of it since its basically a customs racket in its essence

if anyone can parse this bs on wikipedia id love to see it

Here's a shot: true liberty results in the destruction of capitalism.

is that from abundance or indifference?v

I find today’s liberal left to be very authoritarian in nature. They use all the kind fluffy buzz words but ram it down your throat with a hot poker.

B.s confirmed. The libertarian/authoritarian is a different axis from the left/right paradigm. The left/right axis doesn't really matter anymore. Classic liberalism much more akin to Conservative values.
The more relevant terms when talking of the laissez-faire ideas are whether you are a consequentialist, or deontological libertarian I.e: do consequences matter or is it the rules that matter?

Very interesting perspective but who determines the consequences or the rules?

The government determine the rules, generally speaking don't they?
The consequentialist libertarian generally would say that they are not against force (by government)per se, but they believe in strong private property rights because it generally makes people happy and prosperous when they have them.

it makes sense: private property for what we create, public property for what's already sitting on the planet.

The Beano is as much an encyclopedia as Wikipedia. https://libcom.org/article/libertarian-marxist-tendency-map + any anarcho history from Bakunin and Stirner onward.

It's Leftism without the authoritarianism.

A true president like that and the only one in the world is Milei Argentina , guy saved his country from crashing down due to importing US values in mostly a Traditional hard working country.

i dont think steve jobs would have been at all satisfied with the lack of innovation. cook managed earnings, jobs managed product.

I think his graph answers your question: Pretty Fuckin Soon

If any AI and robots do the work without getting paid it doesn't sound like we need a whole lot of money.