But why is the US Federal Gov the plaintiff? They fought against slavery with everything they had, 100 years later they peacefully fought the South against segregation. I think something is owed but the feds are the good guys on this one.

HONESTLY I USED TO BE ON THE FENCE ABOUT REPARATIONS COS ALTHOUGH THERE WERE GRAVE INJUSTICES DONE HOW DO YOU IDENTIFY WHO TO GIVE THE MONEY TO? AND THERE WERE AFRICANS WHO PROFITED TO WHERE DO THEY LAY? BUT THEN I HEARD GOVERNMENTS WERE PAYING FUCKING DESCEDENTS OF SLAVEOWNERS UP UNTIL 2015! SO CLEARLY REPARATIONS WAS NEVER THE ISSUE JUST WHO WAS TO GET EM!

It was the loan that paid the compensation out that was recently paid off.

The entire financial system is a ponsi scheme and always has been...the banks dont have any real money....we are taxed 97p in the pound, removing that would free the economy.
and,...slavery???
what about the 1,000,000 white people taken from the shores of europe by the north african slavers? do we get anything? and will the millions of black africans who created and profited from the slave trade and enslaved and murdered their own people have to pay?
and do we get the danegeld back?
slavery still exists, 6500 dead slaves in Qatar building stadiums for footballers to kneel down in....it is used to promote an anti white and democracy agenda by billioniares who would destroy our culture. stop mining lythium if you care about black slaves..oh no thats anti green.....
looking at 1 minute of a 24 hour clock and casting blame is how our idiot media works now for both slavery and climate propaganda...let's not encourage them ...

I really like this.

All comments more or less are about the idea of reparation, and mostly I agree.

But its not about reparation despite the title, its about where to best direct a stimulus package. My Everyman understanding of the Covid downturn is that the UK exchequer has licensed uk banks to loan to pretty much anyone with a business no questions asked, money that is created in the moment of granting the loan.

Equally you could hand it out in the street or mail cheques to people whether they need it or not. Give it to the living heirs of slaves or give it to banks to hand out in executive bonuses? Who's gonna make the most stimulus with it?

yes abolitionists used to buy slaves to free them, we could do the same thing...

The MP for my old constituency (dorest) is Richard Drax, he's still sitting on all the wealth and land his family acquired. He sees no problem with owning land thousands of slaves were murdered on. Dispicable person.

Cool, where do I pick up my check?

Well I guess you're allowed to talk about this

the more money you print the less its worth

Instead of hand outs, maybe being given equal opportunity in the work place truly would be a better start. Just an example here but how come I see a white bloke in charge of black football teams but you’ll never see a black or any shade darker than a beach tan running an English football team.

No, it would absolutely not stimulate the economy. You're sort of just blasting a random talking point without much thought to it.

The US also has no obligation to the present generation just because of the abuse of their black ancestors - such an assertion is just ridiculous.

If you think handing out free-money like that "stimulates the economy" then you are totally wrong. In fact, you are hurting the economy and society by making light of racial issues where they already have no place.

Governments hand out money its just a matter of who they give it to. In the USA they have handed money to banks and hedge funds via 0% loans.

I think reparations for stealing human beings is a better idea than this, the money will get spent stimulating the working economy rather just pumping up the stock market.

Level the playing field

It's paying back a debt that financed the country for generations. If you can't see that I think maybe glasses.

Preparation is key start seedlings indoors pick a site that gets sun at least 8 hours or more make sure risk of frost has gone may onwards to plant out is a good bet if in UK.check out northern lights seeds by seedstockers great hardy strain and good price.

Don't use molasses to feed plants outside it will attract all the wild life and they will destroy your plants.lve learned this the hard way.

Me to its the sweet syrupy mixture they love it little fu..ERS.

I've never understood if cannabis is a tropical plant or not. Theres all this Jamaican and Thai lore but then you have Northern Cali and Canada.

It's not a tropical plant as such, it's a weed. Just like nettles and shit. It doesn't really "belong" anywhere because weeds spread fast and will grow (to a point) anywhere. It's usage goes back thousands of years so it's been around long before the Americas had been discovered - it's earliest origins is probably Central Asia.

Defo worth it mate....
I live in east sussex and has really good luck a few years ago with a outdoor crops,got about 3oz a plant and didn't use anything just sunlight. Went to check on them once every two weeks so didn't take up any time. Just remember to raise them up indoors an use a mold resistance strain that doesn't require alot of up keep..
Good luck and would love to see a pick after your first grow

What strain you recommend

Raise them up indoors? Like sprout them then replant outside? Or once they get to flower bring them inside?

I think they mean germinate the seeds, then plant them inside, let the seedlings grow a bit before taking them outside instantly.

If you have unknown seeds, once they're more mature, I'd keep an eye out if there's any males, you wouldn't want them to pollinate your females and take away all that goodness!

This grower has some very legit reasons only grow outdoor real soil

Check on YouTube for a UK grower called Outdoor Warrior. That will answer your question mate :)

A couple of good strains perfect for guerilla growing in our climate are frisian duck and frisian dew, both by Dutch Passion seeds.

Love that you spelled guerilla right!

Exactly this!

Get your seeds from real gorilla seeds and you will be fine. They're bullet proof plants developed by UK guerilla growers and tested in Northern latitudes.

About £6 for a feminised seed.

amazing! thanks for this! I think I checked out there site before but didn't realise they were from uk.

RGS are legends in the U.K. check out YouTube videos PANIK GROWS, that’s the legend behind RGSeeds.

Outdoor grows in the U.K. that look like it’s in Cali lol. They been doing it for over 15 years

Aw mate. all over this! thanks for sharing bud!! Not sure if the weather would have been suitable this year with all the rain (where I am) but next year i'm thinking of it for sure! love a bit of outdoor bud.

I hear you & totally agree, I have an amphetamine auto, white widow, gorilla glue and west coast og all thriving and frosting up nicely all outside growing naturally with basil,mint, coriander.peppermint and pepper as companion plants (all terps).
Couple of weeks left & I should get a nice Percy. Few photoperiods on the go as well, I hope to beat the weather. All natural all bless.
Is it best to harvest at night when all the terps are locked in? Just a thought

Little project we have at the minute, the picture is like a stoners wheres wally haha. Done completely as a hobby, none of this will ever make our LB menu lol

Auto Durban Poison :)

Why not for sale my man? I would rather buy weed that hasn’t grown up in prison.

The buds will be loose a fuck mate, not compact in the slightest, zero bag appeal lol. First time iv done this as well, way harder than growing indoors!! Shit load of thricomes on the autos though, the photos are due to start pistolling soon i reckon :)
ULC

Good luck with it all pal, looks can be deceiving it’s a shame outside isn’t appreciated like it should be. Real sunlight is underestimated and undervalued, I suppose it’s all about the bag appeal and crazy thc levels

Cheers mate, yeah could have the highest THC level going, but if it doesnt look the part its not gonna sell! Even though it all goes in the grinder, theres no reasoning with a lot of people lol :)

exactly my thoughts Guvnor. be lucky Gaz

Thats a lot of green!! Looking at some outdoor options myself this year so any advise would be appreciated.

Its addictive as fuck mate, you've got to have the time though and it takes a shit load of time, especially getting started.

Choosing a good spot is vital. Theres a lot to factor in such as the logistics, chances of being rumbled, the quality of the soil if growing in the ground, the amount of direct sunlight they will be getting, wildlife, water sources etc.

Unless you find good nitrogen rich soil (nettles are a good indicator) id suggest growing in pots. Buy seeds that are suitable for our climate, we used Dutch Passions Frisian Dew/Duck, Sour Diesel, Durban Poison and a couple of others i cant remember now. Dutch passion is a good choice of seedbank though.

Start the seedlings off indoors around March and veg as much as you can indoors before taking them outside.

Canna Nutrients/Advanced Nutrients are always a good choice, or you can just grow organically, you will defo notice the difference though.

Like i say, once you start its really addictive. We started off with loads of enthusiasm but had to scale back halfway through due to other commitments. If you go on YouTube and watch the likes of UK Field Ninja and a few others you can get a feel of what is possible.

Dont listen to what people say, theres massive potential for outdoor growing if you put the graft in and do it right mate. Its a myth that outdoor stuff isnt potent as well, the Frisian Dew and Durban blew our heads off, and after a good cure it smelt just as good as indoor. Granted it well never have the same bag appeal as good indoor stuff, but if its for personal consumption it will definitely do the trick.

Theres a shit load of stuff iv not touched on cos i could be typing all night, but if you want to know anything just give us a shout and we will help if we can :)

ULC

Seeing these and your post above is the final push I needed to do a bit of wild growing this year! :D

cheers for sharing mate

Get it done mate. YouTube videos help. It's all trial and error on your first but the next year is when you'll get everything spot on. Just pick your spot wisely!!

All my buds are grown, in the Great outdoors, in the UK.

Whats the best times to start a gorilla grow in uk and harvest ?

Germinate and veg indoors for a few weeks if you can, then transfer outside early/mid april. Different strains have different harvest times, late september is a good rough estimate though :)

Auto end of May, after the last frost, ready for end of Aug, would be easy for first timer. Now is ideal time of Year to explore, for a site.

Wow thats awesome!
Whats the odour like on the strains you grow outside doing the last few weeks?

Absolutely stinking mate. That's why the spot you pick has to be waaaaaaaa off anywhere anyone would pass. Only things about where I was were wildlife

Great information mate. The soil around my area is pretty bad so will definitely look at using pots. I’m sure I’ll be in touch if I start struggling mate.

No problem at all mate :)

I suspect that as long as the price is in line with the quality there would be no issues. You could also turn it into some edibles or vape juice if you were worried about the compition on indoor grown bud.

Yes almost impossible to pay too much for great seeds

Should we get this thread up and running again in anticipation for spring?

Who's trying it this year? Been up the British mix on guerilla seeds for a while now. Anyone have experience with them?

Autos and indoors are what’s mainly listed on here mate

If you can write a love song to it yes. Otherwise fuck that.

One of my favourite sayings comes to mind.. "Better to be looking at them, than looking for them" ;) If I had the private space I would def give it a go. Ive had many successful yields, nothing to strong but sawl good....

All depends on your latitude;)

Not on here mate unless selling dirt cheap. Pardon the pun. They call that bush weed for a reason. The light and feed / Ph is the main parts of growing to get max potency.
The natural way is too inferior in these climates sadly.

Autoflowers are your friend! Or anything with a short flowering time :)

Outside all the way but not in uk , one of the best smokes I get every year is from Thailand it's all grown outside and if you know the right people and ask for whore ..lol.. you'll get proper bud not brickweed, my point is the right seeds ,climate and conditions will always win any battle , thai weed is strainless just the deep green and smell will make you realise why it should be grown outside

When i first read the topic, i was a bit puzzled.
Depends on where you live, climate, etc. But i think it is worth it anyways.

My 5 cents:
My opinion, and i am quite radical, is that the indoor growing should totally be cancelled.

I surely understand need and function of the indoor growing in the current mad world where nature is brutally 'illegalised', but plants that have never been kissed by the sun just don't cut it for me somehow.

Good luck with the grow brother.

I see a Zappa post, I upvote.

Not many artists have made me shed a tear when we lost em, but Zappa did!
We wont see his like again, so we should savour the richness he's left behind!

Thanks for sharing.

Me too. Frank Zappa was the most musically-curious artist in my life time. He once jammed with a South American group of Pan Pipe players and combined them with the Irish band The Chieftans along with his consummate guitar playing to create the most wonderfully-bizarre set I've ever enjoyed.
Don't know Frank Zappa? Check out the video 'City Of Tiny Lights', a plastacine masterpiece! Mind-expanding goodies all round? No. As I understand it, Frank didn't turn on anymore from a young age, if at all. A confirmed cigarette chain-smoker, there are records of strong tobacco being used to get high, but that's such a longshot. Frank's talents were his own, embellished by his creative genius; a real American Hero.
Frank once did a Pony ( a crap, defecation) on stage during a set. He then opened a case containing $25 000. He said that if anyone can do something more gross, they can take the money.
Some bright spark got up on stage and set about eating it. Did he win the money? What do you think?
Two of ours have gone recently. Spencer Davis and Gordon Haskell, along with the big Jamaican man, Toots Hibbard. The question: 'Does a bird know that it's singing a beautiful song? Or is it a manifestation of the bird's beautiful spirit?' can be asked of our heroes.
Who would you say has this quality? For me, Roy Orbison, Billie Holiday, George Harrison, Otis Redding, Aretha Franklin, Dusty Springfield... for starters.

Zappa was afaik completely free of drugs other than alcohol and tobacco.
I like the question are certain people born with a finite number of god given tunes, or are they limited by talent.
Motzart wrote so many works in a relatively short period, he never corrected a manuscript. Some say he only had enuf time to write them out, so the works must have been inside his head waiting to come out. No conscious thought just a outpouring of genius.
Zappa was same, his body of work is huge, most musicians I know admire him with godlike love.

Apropos Zappa, a rather excellent 'Tribute Band' (I know, stay with me) Called The Muffin Men. I saw them at the Phoenix in Exeter a few years ago. This from Wiki will give a measure of the quality of the band

The Muffin Men are a British band, based in Liverpool, England, which primarily plays the music of Frank Zappa and his band, The Mothers of Invention. The group formed in 1990 for a concert in honor of Zappa's fiftieth birthday. They went on to perform his music as a tribute band, along with some of their own compositions, worldwide. Until his death in 2008, the band often featured guest vocals and percussion by Jimmy Carl Black, former drummer and vocalist from Zappa's Mothers of Invention, with whom they also performed songs by Captain Beefheart.

Since their debut, the Muffin Men have featured no less than seven original Zappa band members, along with original Mothers Of Invention drummer/vocalist Jimmy Carl Black, as well as performing with Don Preston and Bunk Gardner in 1993. In 1994 they played a nine-week European tour with guest vocalist Ike Willis, and again teamed up with Willis in 2003 for a special Zappanale festival show, which also featured Napoleon Murphy Brock. (Zappanale is a yearly tribute concert festival dedicated to Frank Zappa's compositions.) Mike Keneally has also appeared with the band, along with Ray White, and Robert Martin. Denny Walley has performed on several occasions since 2010.

Rather than play pieces note-for-note, the band plays Zappa's material working to the strengths of the current line-up, often giving the music a different slant to the original versions.

25th anniversary gigs (2015) feature a core line-up of 3 original members - Rhino, Jumpy and Roddie, with Phil Hearn on keys

Loved to have seen them or the real deal, Zappa was reportedly a dictator when it came to the band, bit like James brown. One mistake you get a warning, two mistakes and start looking for a new band.
Often wish I understood musical theory better as people who do are astonished at his knowledge and inventive audacity.

Bass – Tom Fowler
Drums – Chester Thompson, Ralph Humphrey
Keyboards, Synthesizer, Vocals – George Duke
Lead Guitar, Vocals, Producer – Frank Zappa
Percussion – Ruth Underwood
Rhythm Guitar, Vocals – Jeff Simmons
Synthesizer – Don Preston
Tenor Saxophone, Flute, Lead Vocals – Napoleon Murphy Brock
Trombone - Bruce Fowler
Trumpet – Walt Fowler

Zappa the main man on the pan!
Funny to think he wasn't into any drugs at all,think he tried a joint once! I was pretty shocked when I found that out!

Don't even need to press play to see that's drug kingpin Miami Vice era Zappa!
Gonna press play now hoping I'm right lol

It’s just the fans that are high haha.

"I wanna horny little Jewish princess, fa la la la la"

With a garlic aroma that could level Tacoma :)

Genius!

Oh yes :)

can anyone recommend a good zappa remix

City of Tiny lights

Zappa on the music industry.

Gotta agree guys, this stuff tastes lush and the high is a nice relaxing one!

Totally agree this surprisingly gave me a nice stone. Just right for me, not too racy or panic inducing, just relaxing.

Nice Stone, other days I didnt dance but had a good time too ;)

Dood, this has been sitting at the bottom of my pile for a while... haven't given it a smoke yet. Will check it out today thanks to your review =)

Nice stuff, surprisingly potent. Will order soon some more.

Good review mate. I have just tried it for the 1st time - I like it for its mellow flavour, taste and effects on my mood. Still gives me the munchies after a while though!! I'm hoping to be able to buy it in 3.5g quantities as that suits my budget. Plus is it me or has the prices all over gone up a bit? I'm not complaining at all it will be for good reason and that's cool, but it seems it's up all across the board or do I need to slow down a bit ha ha.

i am tempted to try some