The most recent series of Beavis and Butthead on Paramount Plus has literally had me rolling on the floor with laughter. So funny

rocks

Hellsing ultimate if you can find it, each episode could take up to a year to make.

that's the thing, science often changes its mind once it considers more parameters and cannabis understanding is still in diapers.

Indeed a mystery that we can only solve by sampling all the weed.😍😍

Amen to that 🙏 💚

This was actually really interesting. My partner and I have ‘debated’ lol at length the indica v sativa thing and whether there’s a difference, in the end all I could/can say is a good quality indica to me at least feels like I have a force almost pushing me deeper into the sofa where as a good sativa always brings me up, both mentally and gets me laughing and indeed wanting a good time! Seems according to this, that science says it’s in my head!!

Weed definitely has different effects from strain to strain but it does seem there is more to it than Indica/sativa

Headspace/terps/minor cannabinoids are my thoughts

Set and setting is definitely a thing. One day I can consume with others and laugh my tits off, the next day by myself and I just fall asleep. All using the same strain (aaaaghh!! bacteria... Chemovar? one debate at a time!)

When people say sativa gives them an "up" effect, what time of day is this? Morning? or is it the first toke of the day but at 11 at night?

When using indica and people get a "down" effect, again what time of day is this? Night time after a tiring day? or is it first toke of the morning after a heavy session the night before?

All I'm trying to do is provoke thinking about why and when we perceive these indica/sativa effects beyond just sativa = energy and indica = couchlock.

It's all very interesting.

Very well put indeed, not just set and setting either, overall headspace and mood, and probably one of the most undervalued metrics in this whole topic is diet + exercise, every single one of these factors will dictate how you're going to be affected by the consumption of THC

and of course let's not forget the grow, grower, what it was grown in, time of harvest during flower and what stage the trichomes were at in their development are all things that will have a huge impact on how that particular batch of that particular grow will effect you! the people who are searching for a particular strain for it's supposed effects are wasting their time and money, the strains name does not dictate it's effects or how much of a indica / sativa hybrid it is, all a strain name will tell you is where the genetics are from and roughly what terpenes you should be expecting, that is all

there's also no such thing as 50/50 sativa indica hybrids and 70/30 etc etc

Yeah always thought the ratio thing was a bit dodgy. Why not 23/77 or 86/14 ?
Also, when 50/50 (or any ratio really) why is it usually "will give you a burst of creative energy but will eventually lead to a relaxed state of mind and peaceful sleep, if you can keep the munchies away!"

Why that order? It's 50/50 so why not: "will send you immediately into a creative sleep where you will raid the fridge by sleepwalking. Careful though you will suddenly have a burst of energy and wake up doing pushups."

Or, to make further mockery: "careful this 80/20 sativa will glue you to the sofa if you smoke the last 20% of the joint"

Regardless of ratio most descriptions just describe the cannabis intoxication journey. It will give you a high (head, body, insert personal effect) leading to the end of the high (relaxation, sleep, insert personal effect).

-plonk-

Steps down from soapbox. I need a toot, exhausted so I'll go for a nice sativa. :)

Well a hybrid is a hybrid. If my dad is aborigine and my mum is a Klingon then I’m 50:50 and the world is my lobster right? So cross a sativa haze with a Hindu Kush and it will be a 50:50 hybrid of the two, it’s just what difference that makes in the effects and whether those effects are attributable to the plant type rather than other elements. I guess we are now siding with “other elements “, which is fine.

But this is evidence based on blind tests where the reported effects didn’t correlate to the strains. In my own lab I have 42 numbered jars- I can only know what strain they are by referring to my trusty spreadsheet 🤓. When I try them at random and try to guess from the effects whether they are indica or sativa I always get it right. 100%. Not even slightly difficult.

But then I have 30 different tequilas and I am pretty good at blind testing those too 🤠…..

But what happens if your Dad is 32% Indonesian and 68% Armenian and your mum is 38% Klingon and 62% Borg (? that's a Trek thing innit?) Then your not 50:50. It's meaningless!

Ok you can identify between your own stash - well done but can you hand on heart take a toke and say hmm, I'm getting 25% sativa effects and 75% indica effects or whatever?

Unless you mean you are 50:50 as in hermaphrodite? 😉

With all that's been said I am still very much influenced by either sativa/indica descriptions - what more is there to go on?

You are just being obtuse CB. Look, take an everyday strain like Purple Punch to keep it simple and let’s take a quick glance at the Family Tree: 🤓

Purple Punch »»» Larry OG x Grand Daddy Purple
Larry OG F1
»»» OG Kush Lemon Larry x Sour Diesel IBL F1
OG Kush Lemon Larry
»»» Unknown Strain Emerald Triangle x Hindu Kush Neville
Unknown Strain Emerald Triangle »»» Unknown Strain
Hindu Kush Neville »»» Indica
Sour Diesel IBL IBL
»»» Sour Diesel x Double Sour Diesel IBL
Sour Diesel
»»» Original Diesel x DNL
Original Diesel
»»» Chemdawg x {MassSuperSkunk x SensiNL}
MassSuperSkunk x SensiNL
MassSuperSkunk
Super Skunk Probably
»»» Skunk #1 x Afghanistan
Skunk #1
Skunk #1
Skunk #1
»»» Afghanistan x Mexico x Colombia
Afghanistan »»» Indica
Mexico »»» Sativa
Colombia »»» Sativa
Afghanistan »»» Indica
SensiNL
»»» NL #1 x NL #2 x NL #5
NL #1 IBL
»»» Purest Indica x Afghani probably from Neville IBL
Purest Indica
Afghani (specified above)
Afghani probably from Neville
Afghanistan Probably Indica »»» Indica
NL #2
»»» Purest Indica x Afghani by Don the Indian
Purest Indica (specified above)
Afghani by Don the Indian (specified above)
NL #5 #5
»»» Purest Indica x Hawaiian #5
Purest Indica (specified above)
Hawaiian »»» Sativa
Chemdawg
Unknown Hybrid »»» Indica/Sativa Hybrid
DNL
»»» {RFK Skunk x Hawaiian} x Northern Lights
RFK Skunk x Hawaiian
RFK Skunk
Unknown Skunk
Skunk #1 (specified above)
Hawaiian »»» Indica/Sativa Hybrid
Northern Lights
Purest Indica (specified above)
Double Sour Diesel
»»» Sour Diesel x NYC Diesel
Sour Diesel (specified above)
NYC Diesel
»»» Unknown Diesel Bagseed x Afghani/Hawaiian
Unknown Diesel Bagseed »»» Unknown Strain
Afghani/Hawaiian
»»» Afghani x Hawaii
Afghani (specified above)
Hawaii »»» Indica/Sativa Hybrid
Grand Daddy Purple Probably
»»» Purple Urkel x Big Bud Probably
Purple Urkel
Unknown Mostly Indica »»» Mostly Indica
Big Bud
»»» {Big Bud x NL#1} x Big Bud
Big Bud x NL#1
Big Bud »»» Indica
NL#1 (specified above)
Big Bud »»» Indica

Hardly rocket science now is it? 😶‍🌫️👍

Now don't get mad, I'm not being sarcastic or disingenious. This is a 100% genuine response after reading and re-reading your comment for the last 10 minutes: Sorry, I don't understand?

Polly humour mate….ooops, thought we were tuned in 🤷‍♂️😉

Thank fuck for that! My antenna isn't erect enough at the moment. I think it needs greasing and if I just give it a tug it may start working. Although last time I did that it poked me in the eye.

Phew! You had me thinking “Christ, if I can’t even get a smile out of CB then I’m cancelling my One Dog Stand Up Tour! “ 🥹

😸

didn't take long did it for people to start glazing over the science once again and stating "but, but i can feel a difference" lol, i'm experiencing such high levels of second hand embarrassment

i know it's difficult they've been perpetuating this bullshit for donkeys years and don't want to pull themsleves out of their ways but i've linked every article under the sun on this in the past even ones on blind testing that continually expose this pseudoscience but it doesn't sink in

if selective hearing is a thing then i'm pretty sure selective learning is a thing too, well the past few years has proven this more than ever

Wish I could keep some in jars but It never stay s in the jars for long ,abit like my vodka bottle ha ha u lot are good people

I have 3 children using this theory they should all be fairly similar as 50/50 me and Mrs rabb1t and therefore the same as each other


They aren't

Well genetically they certainly are. Unless there’s something Mrs.Rabb1t isn’t telling you..🤫

Yes but ones hyperactivity, ones like the opposite and ones bang in the middle

I'm genuinely not making this up

But technically they are all 50/50 yeah?

Interesting ‘cos it’s exactly the same argument- genetics vs effects yeah? We think that a plants genetics give us particular effects but the (scant) evidence suggests otherwise. Kids personality traits don’t mirror their genetics but their DNA doesn’t lie.

Every discovered language in human history uses nouns, verbs and adjectives. Isolated tribes that have never learned anything from anyone still form their language that way. Nobody knows why…

But we do at least know now thanks to science it's not indicas sedate and sativas don't

We know it's more complex

I'm a medical user it all works just need more of some than others

I like you on the soapbox

Fancy starting a political party with me?

Well I am a lying sexual deviant, two faced and with loose morals, no heart or backbone, serving only myself and people who pay me enough. So yeah, maybe I could be a politician. :)

Tonight I shall dine on brisket 😋

Aaaaaaaagggghhhhhh!!!!!!!!! That dang nabbit idiart rabbit. 😾

Well that's ok because the idea I have means you would be in politics a short time anyway

I want to create a political party with two policies only

To change how politicians are paid and limit their activities outside of government being one

But the main reason I want to do this is, to have a party that changes the rules

No more first past the post, proportional representation elections instead

Once changing these the government would immediately have a general election to allow the changes to be made

Now there's the small matter of the house of lords

Now we know blowing it up didn't work previously...

So am open to suggestions 🤔

There's lots of fed up people on this island, the issue I feel is the lack of representation of our interests

My thought process is that sativa and indica are individual species of the cannabis plant which would itself suggest some biological variations between the two, so I still think there's maybe something missing from the 'no difference between them' position.

I get that selective breeding over the years has blurred that line somewhat but going back far enough, pure indica plants were very different from sativa variants in terms of appearance and growth behaviour, so logic would dictate other biological differences too.

The reason we started cross-breeding them to create hybrids in the first place was to combine the different characteristics of each species, so why did we do that if they're all the same?

If we're being truly scientific then we have to recognise that just because we haven't yet identified those differences, or what they mean for us, that doesn't necessarily mean they don't exist.

Hi OldManEd, It's difficult to get that image of large plant, narrow leaved sativa and small plant, broad leaved indica out of our heads isn't it?
On one hand you say they are individual species but later you say they are variants of each other? Science says genetically they are the same. It's how those genes are expressed that makes some sort of difference in effects.

I wish I knew more about plant biology but I do know the same species of a particular plant can exhibit different traits depending on environment, growing conditions, etc. (its phenotype -ooooh, swallowed a dictionary have you!) I have some Tulips from the same seed packet at my front door in a container and they are all yellow. In the back garden in the ground they are all red.

I just wish we had pure sativa and pure indica seeds because I theorize if you put either seed in hot, equatorial zones they will exhibit sativa traits and place them in cooler, temperate zones they will exhibit indica traits.

It's all interesting.

There not saying there isn't a difference more that there isn't a couchlock indica cannabinoid and a hyper sativa cannaboid and that's it's the different ratios of terps/noids etc etc but there isn't a thing that either sativa or indicas have that other doesn't

Yeah, all fair points - maybe I should stop trying to make sense of it all and just enjoy it for what it is. 😊

Love this, Since we've established that there is no scientific difference between an indica and sativa, it's only fair to discuss why these strains might feel so different when ingested. The most likely hypothesis is the entourage theory, also called the entourage effect.

The research shows that genetically it is impossible to prove whether a cannabis plant is an Indica or Sativa. There is no difference in the genes. “What studies mainly shows is that you should not just rely on those labels, but that you should look at the specific terpene profile.

The cannabis industry needs to look more critically at its own disclosures. According to researchers at Canada’s Dalhousie University and the Wageningen University & Research, the Indica and Sativa labels on cannabis are often wrong and misleading. Patients and consumers would benefit from a more scientific approach. The researchers analysed hundreds of cannabis samples. The study shows that the genetic and chemical composition of the cannabis tested often does not correspond to the typical cannabis label Indica or Sativa.

The terms Indica and Sativa are often used to categorise cannabis. These different strains are generally believed to be associated with certain psychoactive effects. Often the effect of a Sativa strain is described as mentally stimulating and energising, while that of an Indica strain is described as relaxing and soothing. In addition, it is often suggested that the labels say something about the genetic background.

“For example, cannabis labelled as Sativa often contains higher concentrations of single terpenes with tea-like and fruity aromas, while Indica samples generally contain higher concentrations of terpenes with an earthy smell such as myrcene, guaiol, gamma-elemene and gamma-eudesmol.”

The distinction that some researchers found is not convincing: “It really is about these specific, individual terpenes that make the difference. The overall chemical profile, like the genetics, shows no apparent difference between the labels. We also found only a small number of regions in the cannabis genome that likely contribute to the earthy aroma associated with the Indica label

It’s a tough subject for sure 😂❤️

Agree.

That's why we stop listing indica/sativa in our listings. There is no way to determine which was it leans other than how you feel and we're taking one person's experience as fact.

It's absolutely ridiculous.
If anyone follows First Smoke of the Day, check out the episode with the guy that runs High Times. He addresses this amongst many other bro science things related to cannabis

Science > there's no difference between the two and we've been telling you this for years now but you wont listen and it's slowing down the progress of medical research


Stoners > but how else am i going to sound like i know what i'm talking about to my casual stoner friends on facebook without using meaningless trendy buzzwords :(

Sorry hesh, I haven't got temporal event availablity to reply I need to focus my synergy to generate a dynamic output into the locally manifested environment and haven't got time for buzzwords 😏😘

It's your own fault DR, you shouldn't have smoked sativa before 5pm, we spoke about this in the past especially only 1 month after the vernal equinox... are you crazy? that is WAY too dynamic for optimal cosmic environmental synergy!

XDD

Good point

Well made

😁😎

*Rabb1t brain now in standby

Wow, she talks fast..I broke my pencil on the first question and by the time I’d sharpened it it was all over! 😵‍💫😂

Wow, now that is stoned theatre

how a 4d being looks at us

Does length, width, height and time always come together? Can you have other combinations?

Aren't regular movies 3d (length width and time) and "3d movies" 4d (add depth??

Breaking Bad takes the win for me because it's faster paced, but Better Call Saul is amazing too!

So into Better Call Saul right now :-)

For me the greatest TV show of all. So many great characters. And a perfect ending. Gonna leave it a few years before going back and watching again. Though I miss my Kim Wexler fix

she has got so much better as time goes on, we love it! Just watched one last night and I was actually shocked! wont spoil for anyone ;)

Slipping jimmy was punching 100%

Lalo Salamanca is the boy

BB my preference Saul is an amazing character but dont think it takes you on the roller coaster BB does

I can't remember 1 boring episode of BB, even the one that was set solely in the lab with the fly Walter couldn't catch

So true I forgot about that one lol.
Most episodes left you with that feeling hows he going to get out of this.
The videoed confession had me in stitches.
Poor Hank lol.

Yeah things went seriously south for Mr White once Hank died. He was a good character

For me, personally I think they’re both brilliant. You cant watch better call Saul before breaking bad. I love how it shows the aftermath of what happened, better call Saul is slower but if you’ve watched breaking bad before you’ll be sucked in from minute one. For me breaking bad might just be the greatest tv series ever. Just everything about it was fucking mega and it wasn’t hollywoood it was raw just like GOT used to be till they ruined it.

No need for a comparison, both great shows. Obviously BB set the scene for Better Call Saul, but I think it would have worked without BB as a stand alone.

nolo contendere

Hi all,😉 anyone seen Doctor Denz and Strain Cainers on you Tube 😉

have they seen us is a better question

Hi admiral bishop.i doubt it pal lol.😮🥴

I wanna see guy martin make one n go over 100 bro XD.

Who is the coon?

Great film, special for me cos i lived with director for 4 years and he wrote it during that period. So its my early 20s on film pretty much. Nice one bruvva is an evolution of how we used to scream down the phone at each other, (and still do) with names instead of bruvva.

It is superb and just represents his zest for life and fun and sillyness and funny situations. Under table snorting scene just one example of the talent in the cinematography.

If you liked this, i would urge anyone to check out his largely unknown second film "i know you know". A different affair about him and his dad and mum, but stunning in different ways. Also his older college stuff, party politics, life in the bus lane. On YT somewhere i think.

The sequel to HT is confirmed btw in case you didn't know.

Wow, that is amazing. He captured a perfect picture of life and it is totally relatable. The whole film was so well done and the cast was just spot on. You will have to tell him how amazing he is. I was 19/20 when it came out and that was a typical weekend. It just gives you the warm and fuzzies. I would be totally buzzin’ if there was a sequel. I will have to do some digging and see if I can find his other stuff. Thank you.

Human traffic is full of Qaballah clues

Spot on bro I'll keep an eye out for that as human trafficking is a top film reminds me of my younger days 👍

Niiiiccccceeee ooonnnneeeee brrruuuvvvvaaaa

aha! You beat me to it, WHL

No way?! Love all the Nick Love ones, The Business, Outlaw, FF obviously

The business is a good shout

Nice one bruvvvvvv!

Love it. You seen Goodbye Charlie Bright?

Not seen that one. Is it worth a watch?

Yeah all the old crowd that came up from London lots of the football factory boys just all about life on the estate all the capers etc great film

Will take a look. Thank you.

I first watched it on a big screen at Glastonbury, chewing my face off. Takes me right back whenever I watch it

I also saw this first on the big screen at Glastonbury, chewing my face off. Decided I wanted a cup of tea half way for some reason.. Thought someone had moved the bushes in front of me so I began to climb through it. The bushes hadn't moved.. I had crawled down the middle aisle in front of everyone, walked along the screen and preceded to climb through undergrowth.
Luckily some kind people came and pulled me out of the bush and explained to me what the fuck was going on and directed me to the nearby tea tent. Memory a bit patchy but I think I was having fun.
I miss the 90's sometimes.

It’s amazing the memories this film brings back. I miss the 90s too. There was nothing like a good Mitsubishi pill to set you on a good weekender. I think we are all the same on here. We just want life back to what we had then.

Mitsi trubos! Ahahaha wow takes me back

It’s a weird state of affairs when you are in a field in Somerset and you think. I know. I’ll go and watch Human Traffic.

A lovely state of affairs.

Where were you. When all my mates thought it’d be funny to go gabba. It wasn’t funny.

I’d have gone and watched some totally weird Ken Russell film. (Altered States, anyone?)

Rather than having to go gabba.

Spliff politics by mr nice in it is brilliant

I must admit, that part is spot on and I was always the interceptor of the spliff lol!

lucky people here it is

The bit in the record shop with the aphrodite track is legendary.

Aphrodite. South Coast Massiive (or Littliiive)

Morning! *sniffs* MORNING!!

Nurse! I need a pisspot and a jacket.....cause I'm fucked!

Literally one of my favourite movies of all time. He wen't from being a raver who takes pills on the weekend to going on grand adventures as The Hobit. Martin Freeman is a beast!

"Any jungle goin!?"

**sorry if I have ruined any quotes, my brain is only at half capacity today lol**

Not Martin Freeman dude, was John Sim who played the master in Dr Who. Also Andrew Lincoln in in it briefly who plays Rick in Walking Dead

No shit? Hahaha for literally years I was thinking it was the same dude, my bad. Cheers for that!

This could turn hare Krishna into a bad boy!!

"You know how artists paintings go up in value when they die? Well rappers records go up when they get locked up. IT'S GOING TO BE BANNED!"

Koop scratching cracks me up " puffing da herb err ehh err ehh puf puf puf puf puffing da herb" or something like that lol.

And the whole "who the hell you been ringing in Taiwan boy" scene.

Such a great film. Pretty much summed up my late teens early 20s. The best days. :)

The whole thing cracks me up. It doesn’t matter how many times you watch it, you always find it funny. I think there is a little bit of all of us in that film. I’m defo a Lulu.

So true. I was definitely moff lol. I look back now amazed that I'm alive and heathy. Wouldnt dare get mashed now but thought nothing of dropping a few a back then. Was just part of going out in those days eh. Wouldn't change it for a thing though. Best days/nights of my life. Helter skelter, dreamscape, hysteria. Then later God's kitchen, progress, passion. I'd give anything to go back in time and do it all again. :)

You found reality then lol! I think if I dropped a pill now, I would die! I will stick to the green! I live in Scotland so the rave scene here was epic in the 90s. I wouldn’t change it for the world. There were no fights, everyone loved everyone, no one got offended and it was safe! I feel bad for the young ones now. They won’t get the experiences we had. The music was on another level too.

I think we know you mean John Simm and not Martin Freeman. At least you know the film though. Makes me so nostalgic for my 90s lifestyle. It was an amazing time to be off your face.

Great film- sequel on the way i believe!

Hope so x

"The Emperor wants to control outer space, Yoda wants to explore inner space. That's the fundamental differences between the good and the bad sides of the force."

Quality

24 Hour Party People is also a good-un.

As well as Who Killed the KLF?

Who killed the KLF was good.

I was clubbing my tits off then so this was like looking into a mirror for me (a bit like the scene at the afterparty with Jip and Koop on the sofa ;)). Love the Howard Marks spliff politics cameo 👌 summed up a Britain and a generation that didn’t take itself too seriously (unlike today sadly).

I know! It’s awful now. You could lose your mates and find randoms and nothing bad ever happened!

Got any Jungle guy?
I GOT THE TARZAN AND THE JANE OF THE JUNGLE SWUNG IN FRESH ON THE VINE THIS MORNING 😁 (or close if remember serves me right). In all fairness I did much the same facially to that baseline. Film!
Nice post

It’s such a great film. Never gets old. Unlike me lol!

Wow one of the best films of the nineties takes me back. Spot on film the good old days lol.

My mate is an extra in it!! ;)

Danny Dyer on the bog...

Fucking love it

But have you seen Taxi Driver... ?
Danny Dyer at his best in this movie!
The coathanger bit is hilarious!

The Business is probably my favourite Danny Dyer film, not seen the Taxi so will give it a watch.

I will have to have a look at that one. Danny Dyer is always good in films. Not keen on him in Eastenders though.

Nah Eastenders is rubbish, but Danny Dyer was funny in Human Traffic. Note he wasnt in Taxi Driver, he is just talking about the movie Taxi Driver to a taxi driver. Talking about torturing Peter Andre... I will link it

Duh! Sorry, I didn’t pick you up there and yes, that part was hilarious. I also hate Peter Andre, so that is particularly hilarious to me.

I hated this film, maybe I was a bit of a snobby clubber back then, but every character in that film is a complete muppet. The movie is a cringe fest