we are here bigga :)

Hi Borg, unfortunately it doesn’t look like you can test for terpene profiles and cannabinoid composition or %THC am I missing something or is this the same as similar free services available online e.g. wedinos?
Is there any plans for more detailed analysis like extracter was starting?

terpine profiles would be awesome, it's so hard to pick strains (let alone vendors) when we all have different tastes. if we could narrow down to terpines it could only help.

As someone who's smoked weed for 27 years I can't say I'm that fussed knowing exactly what terpenes (so long as it doesn't laste like cow pat Kush) there are, but a % of THC and other cannabinoids is something I'd find very useful.

FOR

So it's been a couple of weeks and still nothing has really happened as far as coming up with a solution to bring some stability in the pricing for the buyers and vendors, and now that the dollar to pound conversion rate has very very quickly hit it's worst rate on record, and it's clearly showing no signs of slowing down, what are we going to do about this?

My solution, which has been backed up by so many of the sites users that i've lost count, would be the obvious

>CHANGE THE SITES CURRENCY FROM DOLLARS $, TO STERLING £<

$60 is as near as makes no difference, £60 now (£55.26), once you factor in fees for buying btc etc! this is absolute insanity, i'm now unable to afford the order i planned for today due to literal overnight changes in conversion rates

$60 right now is £55.26
$60 a year ago today was £43.20
this is HUGE

I've explained this way too many times in the past couple weeks, but the only reason we are experiencing all the negatives of this is because we are still (for no actual given reason) using Dollars, instead of Sterling as the sites currency!

at the very least, 90% of the buyers on here are within the UK, and all have Sterling in our bank accounts, not Dollars

Dollars and Sterling are neck and neck when it comes to stability in the worlds market, claiming the use of Dollars for stability reasons on here is disingenuous

and how are vendors expected to be sat at their computer 24/7 constantly adjusting their prices on hundreds of listed items just to make it fair for buyers, when all this could be solved with a simple currency change?


$60 right now is £55.26
$60 a year ago today was £43.20

this is INSANE biggas, and it has NOTHING to do with inflation in the context of this website and market

£60 a year ago is £60 today.


one final thing i would like to add biggas that a lot of you probably wouldn't have even seen at the time, or joined long after, but about 2 years ago, before we had initiatives, i was very outspoken about the fact that the BTC prices on here used to be only set in 5 digits, for example 0.0050BTC, and with the instability of BTC, this lead to us never being able to actually pay the correct amount for our orders (0.0057464BTC < how prices look now) often having to pay way more than the order is worth because we didn't have the correct amount of decimal places, this was hugely frustrating and it was costing everyone a fortune, and after making topic after topic screaming at the top of my lungs about how much we need extra decimal places and then out of nowhere with no explanation we were finally given this much needed change when LB went under it's overhaul a couple years back! i wanted to end on that, for the biggas that thought that i'm just bitching, i'm not, i poured so much energy into those topics to benefit all of us, the amount of money that we have all saved since the decimal place change would have surpassed the hundreds of thousands of £ quite some time ago, just like the change i'm asking for now, it's going to save so many people so much money at a time when we coudn't possibly need it more.

Peace.

Perfectly said . JJ & DGT

Thanks for your input JJ good to see you here pal!!

I,ve seen some of your posts before and definitely agree with you 👍

£60 a year ago is not £60 today. i wish it were mate

https://ycharts.com/indicators/uk_inflation_rate

i know it's not, but that's not how inflation works on here as i've already explained and so have others, you're misunderstanding the point, that's not how this site works, as other people have already stated, this kind of inflation isn't relevant within the context of this site and buying weed

a £60 listing a month ago is a £60 listing today
a $60 listing a month ago would be about £48 then, and £55 today
^this is unnecessary inflation and instability

if we were using sterling this whole time then prices wouldn't have been changed by much at all

https://cannabiswealth.co.uk/2022/03/30/inflation-affecting-cannabis-market/

when have you ever gone to your dealer and he's said "sorry mate that quarter is going to cost you an extra tenner today because of inflation"... that's just not how inflation works in relation to cannabis

FOR - Despite the complete collapse of the £ it is still the most stable currency to use because 95% of buyers and sellers are in UK and the £ is the currency we use. This means that a listing of £100 will always be £100 today, tomorrow, next week if its still listed at £100 then you will still pay £100 - this is stability. A $100 listing is £76 then £78 then £82 then £86 then £90 now it's £95even though its still listed unchanged at $100 - that is instability.

Sellers don't want to adjust their prices every day depending on international markets that have no baring on their business.

everything you've just said makes absolute perfect sense and it's disheartening to see that this is still misunderstood by a few

the only reason i can see this not making sense to someone is if they either haven't though about it all, or they have little to no buying experience on here

FOR voters
Please make sure to upvote next to FOR
that is what is counted.

ALL VOTERS
Downvotes do not count.

previous topic with nearly 400 votes

For

Bump bump bump
Being silenced by LB here

original topic was posted 3 days ago (23 sep) but it's not being shown on the wall

we've waited too long and now look

at what point does this insanity need to reach before we can get something changed?

This is just common sense. Hesh talking absolute facts in here.

There are a lot of up votes on individual comments, shouldn't the up votes be against this hesh comment 'FOR' in order to be counted? Or am I reading the instructions at the top wrong? "Votes for comments are just appreciation"

Shouldn't there also be one AGAINST comment to register votes?

Is all the voting going to waste? If I am right get up voting on the hesh comment FOR!!!

FOR

there's some shite thinking here but if i take the proposal literally as "a more stable / suitable currency and or pricing" then yeah. not sure how that would work though.

there's some shite comments as well... unbelievable some people.. sorry for being the only person to actually get traction on this topic and start making much needed changes on here mate...

my whole point is to try and bring more stability for everyone as quickly as possible, and thinking of a way forward is the only way

calling this 'shite' without giving any reason why, or actually contributing a good idea, what use is that?

Please listen LB
This has mine and many others support, please stop hammering us with exchange rates it’s crippling

please add all comments under FOR or AGAINST

FOR

FOR

FOR - preferably stable coin, then theirs no issues with payment release dates of 16days for vendors who are then stuck in huge currency fluctuations and this year alone has seen at least 3 occasions of the escrows halving in value within that 16 day period.

It does not make sense, not with the pressures of staying stealth and not being caught by the bizzes we now have to have a degree in economics just to make sure have enough to pay our supplier's in 2 weeks for the reload or have enough money for fuel etc.

The world is at a financial knife edge and if this does not get sorted some poor vendors going to be getting a hiding or 2 from some pissed off supplier who wants their money the plain facts.

FOR . JJ & DGT

FOR

I’ve found myself going else where recently due to the prices on here. 🤷‍♂️ but sadly some people don’t have that option :(

FOR

FOR

100% behind this initiative but sadly I think the site owners don't care. They posted last week about prioritising things behind the scenes. I've not once seen a feature the community has asked for implemented here. I get the feeling the site is run part time by a small group. I know of other marketplaces that have even the most basic of features... dated posts, search features, pages that don't take minutes to load if they have more than 200 topics on them. I can get over the dated posts and loading times but I can't get over the prices. The other place I buy from has lots of flower variety (shit for carts and edibles etc) but flower has always been £37.50 for eighths and doesn't change. It think the LB staff maybe reached the limit of their abilities. Simple functions that any other online marketplace in the world has, the LB staff don't to have the knowledge/time/tools to implement.

as of today 27th sep:

26.2 votes for
5.2 votes against

1 of the votes against is from a new account with no post history, 2 other votes are from fairly new accounts with little post history, none of them have presented an argument against this either

For

FOR

Yea this is super frustrating. Why is this even a thing?

100% behind this initiative but sadly I think the site owners don't care. They posted last week about prioritising things behind the scenes. I've not once seen a feature the community has asked for implemented her. I get the feeling the site is run part time but a small group. I know of other marketplaces that have even the most basic of features... dated posts, search features, pages that don't take minutes to load if they have more than 200 topics on them. I can get over the dated posts and loading times but I can't get over the prices. The other place I buy from has lots of flower variety (shit for carts and edibles etc) but flower has always been 37.50 for eighths and doesn't change. It stink of incompetence now on the LB staffs part

worst part is i'm still sat here trying to explain to some BUYERS on here that weed for £37.50 a year ago like on other markets is still £37.50 today

the next person that tries to gaslight me on inflation i swear to god.. just can't help some people

😂

AGAINST

AGAINST voters
Please make sure to upvote next to AGAINST
that is what is counted.

ALL VOTERS
Downvotes do not count.

regardless of this exercise the sellers need to lower their rates. they need to do this now (right now please if you are a seller reading this)

Vendors are not a charity we are here to try and make a profit. The prices are at the lowest points that I have ever seen on LB.

Can I ask you a question Mr Allmonde can I ask that you take a wage cut in your job, please?

And also at the same time pay more for your fuel and food and all the other crap.

Do you not think vendors deserve to make a living??

sure that's a good question that illustrates the fallacy of this initiative.

if i were being paid in dollars i would be making more pounds right now - just like you are.

if we change it to pounds today i'm still making the same amount anyway right?

you with me sir?

so in order for anything to change and for me to stop capturing the difference - like you are right now - i would have to lower my wage.

Correct if you are buying in dollars and paying for shipping in dollars but what I see beneath my feet is UK soil so no.

So unless you are not physically living here and working here no because every shop I go into still asks me for pounds when I shop.

It's really that simple Mr Allmonde.

The only way it works is if you buy from America and even then you still pay everything else shipping etc in pounds.

it doesn't matter if you are buying from swahili or if lb changes to shkels my friend, you will have to lower your prices to get lower prices to your customers.

can you see this?

Our prices are around 20% less across the board more or less from this time last year when things were even cheaper than they are now.

The risk reward ratio Mr Allmond is very low atm for vendors.

We are not in control of the currency markets and what happens in 2 wks after we have paid shipping and sent the item and we see the prices fall even lower and our money is still not being paid out are you going to send money to vendors when they go broke??

fair enough, this is a free market and people set their own prices and you sir are a market leader.

yet everything you say proves that this initiative will not save anyone a cent.

prices haven't been adjust once since months ago when you could buy a dollar for 73pence

switching to sterling would save the majority of the sites users quite a bit more than a cent... i would actually be able to afford to buy the same things i bought on here last week for example

you dont seem to undertstand people do not set their prices daily based on conversion rates here, so buyers are always losing money, not only that it will / has already reached a point where people can't afford to order because of the exchange rate, and then vendors won't be making any money at all if people can't afford to order

Only if it comes from the seller's pockets.

you don't actually have to change your prices though if this goes through

example

your mcflurry, 7g, $80, been the same price for about a month, but for us a buyer, that costs us £10 more for the same order of $80 than it did a month ago

now lets say we had sterling as the sites currency a month ago

your 7g of mcflurry would have been listed at £68 a month ago, dollar rates would be irrelevant and a month later your same listing would still be £68 instead of the £75 it costs now

so what's actually happening here is buyers are the charity here, a lot of us are here to buy a specific amount of medicine each week / month and lots of us are being fucked out of that because of a conversion rate, eventually vendors are going to end up with a lot less money if people can't afford to order because of a conversion rate

Yes agreed the customer needs a better option.

If a vendor does not sell for a few weeks its better than not selling and taking a loss which has happened quite alot this year with the markets crashing.

If we knew 100% that you pay £68 and we receive that amount minus the Biggy fees there would be no issues as we are sheltered from factors outside of our control, but unfortunately that's not the case vendors are walking a tightrope, which is very perilous.

I have woken up 3 times in the last 12 months to have seen over $25k evaporate to around $9k even though I am working my bollocks off I still have lost.

Sometimes I question what is the point but it comes back to the buzz and the thrill I suppose otherwise it could be percevied as madness lol

Great points raised right here.

100% agree

if sellers dont lower their prices then then the pound would need to fall even further for this to have any effect whatsoever .

?

up untill the creation of this topic literally nobody has adjust prices to account for conversion rates

$100 order 1 year ago = £72
$100 order 1 month ago = £86
$100 order today = £93

if we get this change, it has an immediate effect for everyone

Hesh alot of vendors from earlier in the year have already been wiped out and alot that have been trading for the last 12months are just about keeping there heads above water after the btc price dropped 3 times in value, just take a step back and have a think about what i have just said.

The price of BTC is likely to drop further over the coming months so what you are asking is for vendors to do is commit financial suicide.

Its not up to the vendors its up to the admin on here to sort this out.

the inherent instability of BTC is something we've all been dealing with and there's nothing we can do about that unfortunately

but achieving more stable prices for buyers is the opposite of financial suicide, it's incredibly beneficial for vendors to have more stable pricing with sterling instead of dollars, i'm down so much money this month because of overpaying for this conversion rate to the point i've had to go round this morning asking vendors if they can do me a custom order because i can no longer afford the fixed prices on their menus

in my original post i said it was up to the admins to sort this out but we never hear from them, and since then i've had vendors saying it's up to vendors to sort this out?

at the end of the day WE need to sort this out as a community immediately and that's why i started this initiative, even though it's probably putting a target on my back for some people, this should all be about working towards a greater good! as currently the way things are going, nobody will be buying on here as others have already stated they are buying / looking elsewhere because of this

I think it will fall further but I see your point.

Yes I agree with all the borrowing that the UK government keeps doing it will only weaken.

When all those people where calling for a lockdown this is the price that we pay.

For all those people who where PAYE and were getting 80% of their wages for sitting on there backsides for months at a time, this is the cost of that.

Just think when you go on holiday now the same applies. Do you think Maria from the beach resort in Spain will be giving you more sangria because our pound is fucked ?

We need to accept that we all need to work harder to make the same money as this time last year it's that simple it won't be getting better it will be getting worse very sorry to say it how it is but that's the bare bones of the matter.

We asked for it we got it, this country is fucked.

Try selling & u will understand we can’t

"I can't afford to smoke so vendors need to make it cheaper for me"

Sorry mate, Mary j is a luxury, if you can't afford to smoke the amounts you want, then don't.

completely missed the entire point

evidently total lack of understanding of everything said here and i can tell by your attitude and posts that you aren't worth explaining it to either

Hey Hesh
Opened up my account to loads of notifications and upvotes on this thread which you still have my full support on but but worried peeps are voting on a year old thread, is this null and void at this point ? I know both buyers and sellers are being shafted with fees again or still do we need to start again or will the recent activity count ?

Hey Emz, yeah pretty sure it's null and void at this point, i should have dated the original post i guess but i didn't think we would be facing the same problems over a year later

I think someone mentioned that this topic was open so i tried to revive it and also started a new one.

It has been noted but the issue is the dev work that needs to be done is a fairly big job that from what I am gathering hasn’t got much incentive.

I also know blockhead have announced they are setting up an alternative recently.

Sorry for all the notifications though!🙈

100% for. we need more options especially somthing faster with less congestion and fees.

Valid comments on both sides of for/against, ultimately for me I'm FOR.

For

FOR

Why isn't the GBP&USD price linked to the BTC price?

Altough, tbh, as vendors we should be price checking ourselves and our competition regularly anyway. Or, our customers would give us a nudge I'm sure.

At the same time, the best addition to this site would be both the currency prices, and the ability to settle funds, both customer>vendor and vendor>customer direct on the site.

The current 16 day escrow is laughable and a potential exit scam waiting to happen... the option for the customer to finalize on delivery hurts no-one

WeedStar

BTW BIGGAS THE ONLY POSTS THAT NEED VOTES IN THIS TOPIC IS THE ONE POST THAT SAYS "FOR" WITH NO OTHER WORDS
AND THE OTHER POST THAT SAYS "AGAINST" WITH NO OTHER WORDS

the rest of the posts are opinions / debates!
the result of this initiative is decided by the FOR or AGAINST votes as explained by the initiative borg!

Thank every single one of you for your input especially the vendors who have already made changes to their pricing to try and help with this situation <3

for newer biggas that are unsure of the context of some of the replies in this topic, it was created over a year ago when not only did we still have the same problem of literally being robbed by fees, but we also had the problem of every single dollar costing 92p, rather than the 81p it is now which made every single order considerably more expensive for absolutely no reason other than the site being set to the wrong currency for it's customer base

over a year later, all these votes, and we still have all the same problems apart from those same problems essentially being worse than they were a year ago due to cost of living crisis etc,

all these problems could and should have been solved over a year ago

the outcome of resolving these problems means everyone has more money to buy more weed and everyone wins in every possible way

The immediate need for a more stable / suitable currency and or pricing system! GAW

https://littlebiggy.com/link/EzmSNU

This is a link to devvy borg. There's a bounty on there for 1800 dollars to complete a page that will allow vendors to specify a currency. It's under react/js post.
It has a screenshot of the possibility. Looks good if it can be completed

Massive FOR 👍

FOR

FOR

FOR 21/11/2023

For
Not sure if this is a new post 😂

Get in the habit of doing it yourself.
19:04
3/11/24

For

Been mentioned for years nothing happens. Probably because nobody wants to date there own topic.But if you do want dates start by implementing it yourself. 24/10/24. 9.01 pm

For
I don't think I need to explain why but sometimes I just don't remember 🤔

FOR

I deleted things from my cart earlier to make specific orders and I now have to look for them again. This would be ideal. Like some online retailers who let you save for later. You could keep an eye on price then too, potentially.

For

I currently have a huge note full of outdated .com links on my phone.

FOR

Great initiative!

FOR

Although I wouldn't hold your breath, it's been requested several times. Here's a post from over 18 months ago that suggests the admin had already agreed it would be integrated.

I know init, it’s a shame really I originally thought it was a community based site but it’s just not the case given the fact vendors and customers are all shouting from the roof tops we need an alternative but the approach seems to be grim and bare bitcoins volatility

yeah been watching this a everyone has been asking for a new payment processor. this seems the farthest its got they are looking for devs

For.

Although I've seen this all before. An old vendor Super Hans tried extremely hard to get Litecoin/Monero etc introduced a couple of years ago. Had the backing of all the vendors and biggas alike and it never happened.

It does seem like jackwright might be making some headway, but many of us that have been on here a while won't be holding our breath.

Good luck though buddy. It's probably the single most important improvement to the site, and is long overdue, so I really do hope this time it works out.

Cheers BB 😊👍🍻

Yeah I’ve got that the overall response is For but it’s literally not even worth it given as someone already pointed out initiative Borg ain’t been active in a while.

Yeah I think our only hope is someone picking up the project, I’ve had a quick look at what it entails and although am literally studying that issue at the minute I think it’s probably best someone with experience take on something like that.

Hopefully though someone sees the opportunity and takes it!

Hopefully someone from admin still looks.

FOR

Chances are they’ll probably need to rewrite Transaxe. If it’s hardcoded to support Bitcoin it’s not going to be a small job to change the payment method.

FOR.
Fuck these fees and all the cunts with big money manipulating it.

FOR

Although we have been through this loop many times before without any meaningful dialogue from the Borgs. Ho hum...lets all pretend we are robots, such fun!
(But don't worry, they are 100% on top of shutting down those bastard competitions and offers so we can all sleep safely at nights! lol)...

Literally all they can do since their, most-likely at this point, ex-devs have clearly abandoned them to 3 year old processes. Which nobody quite knows how to work on or fix.

One day Biggy will just fail. Mostly because of it’s clearly hideous technical debt.

FOR

Won’t buy anything with bitcoin at the mo due to fees…

Reality of this means I buy else where….

This is something I REALLY dont want to do as love this site and want to support my go to vendors… 💚 but have no other choice until something changes…🤷‍♂️😢

Totally get that, I was gutted when I had to ask my old dealer when I seen the price of the bitcoin fees but I can’t justify paying upwards of €15 just for a fee.

It’s not as if it’s happened before the only difference now is people are going to find alternative sites which sucks as LB has been awesome.

It was $120 when I tried to purchase on the 20th 🥴

Yes think alot of us are in the same situation. Looks like I'll be digging some old number up to ring then till this is sorted. Feel for the vendors on this site.

FOR

I for one love this site but it’s becoming harder and harder to utilise the brilliant products on here and community due to bitcoins instability and proven track history of being unreliable on this site.

It is also getting to the stage where it’s becoming too expensive for vendors and profits are being eaten up by transactions fees alone.

Instead of little biggy being that website everyone remembers as being “imagine how good that could have been” and continue to expand the community by allowing better accessibility for payments.

Surprised no one has suggested BCH instead yet. Seems like the likely one to move to if fees are the issue.

FOR
Or im off back to my old dealer up the road .
I dont think the admins of this site give a toss about anything except hiding topic posts that call out whats going on tbh .

Hope they can at least sort this out . Its not exactly dificult to do is it lets be honest here .

I get that feeling, it’s I’ve just noticed that this topic isn’t updating on the wall regardless of votes.

FOR, how long do we have to put up with paying ridiculous fees while there's alternatives. Obviously couldn't care less. How many times has this been talked about

Count me in - For

The transfer fee's are killing LB.

FOR

The fees for customers obtaining a joke from the administration need to be addressed. Might need to another alternative cryptocurrency.

Initiative borg last online 417 days ago.....

no reply or anything from any borgs or admin on any single one of the dozens of topics on this subject this past couple weeks, yet posts exposing dogshit fraudulent dangerous vendors like gamechanger will get immediately removed from the wall

used to be so passionate about the idea of community and gradual improvements to the site via an alleged democratic process of initiatives but that's long gone for me now

we are all pissing into the wind but it's really fucking windy out and the piss is just going directly back into our faces, you can't stop pissing though because you've been holding it in for an age

yes i totally understand that perhaps in the backend they don't have the resources to implement currency changes but they should at least use the topic wall manipulation in a productive way and actually pin a topic about this to the top of the wall permanantly till a solution is achieved, even if that solution has to be bought, paid for and implemented by biggas and not the borgs

Zero-Intiative Borg at this point.

That was when their last decent dev left them. 400 odd days ago. Nothing has been done since then really.

They need to open source the whole platform. All sensitive data aside.

But that alone is probably 6 months work. To go through everything. Upgrade all the dependencies. Fix all the broken ones. Clear the technical debt.

About a year on from starting that. We are looking at then maybe considering how to approach adding a new payment system into Transaxe. Which has obviously been only set up. From literally the ground up. To support Bitcoin.

It’s like working with the old MySpace. It’s just oldschool code on oldschool code.

Not many of us left who even understand those processes. Those approaches.

But this is where it is.

If they open-sourced the fucking code it’d be fixed in 2 weeks.

Plus all the other shit that pisses people off.

But no. It’s someones little earner. Doesn’t take a huge team to run a site like this.

Runs itself. And that’s the clever thing about the site.

Just needs modernizing. Christ. If it was worth building in the first place and it’s still nearly working. Then why not spend some of the considerable cash in improving the quality of life for your users?

I mean it’s SAAS 101. You keep users by reducing barriers to entry. The less barriers the customer has to get their outcome. Exponentially will your sales increase as convenience and novelty combine into one beautiful package. Where you can just buy some fucking nice weed without needing a PHD in nerd-dialectics to do it.

Removal of new-user barrier to entry = growth.

I wish I could do graphs. It would seem obvious.

Literally losing thousands a month, Biggy are. Potentially. 5X what everyone on here earns with a modern platform in place.

You’d double your money in 6 months with a couple of half-decent devs working on it.

Fuck. You could just have it as a full-on API. Then anyone could build a frontend for it. Just have the keys and you are away. Biggy as a service.

But without the source of the service itself. There is no easy way to add payment methods.

Not without middleware for the middleware. Which is where it then starts getting silly, and hacky, and people start losing money, or it’s all backdoored to fuck.

It’s a Transaxe core change. The only people who should be responsible for that stuff is the core Biggy team. They need to change it.

Meh. Whadda I know. I’m an idiot 😂

🤷‍♂️📢📢📢📢📢

BORGS!

Sort your lives out.

Borgs… hahaha.

If only.

Yeah I think I’m at that level where the hype was too good to be true kind of thing.

It is a back end issue by the looks of it, I suppose all I can do while I’ve got my hyper focus is keep the topic relevant and in hope that it gets picked up one day that or until my hyper focus runs out 😂😂

I gave a reply earlier mainly because inwas out and about and didn't want to to lose this topic again.

I really hope they switch up and offer using monero and eth bitcoins got its usesn but. It's a terrible coin for the job.

It baffles me that there's an escrow service presumably raking it in but something as simple as a password change on transaxe takes a week. I feel like it's one person working part time so that being said there is no chance of more currencies being added.

Its a shame because I can only see bitcoin getting worse for fees and like others have said leaves LB exposed to competition.

Transaxe have been good at times, such as taking the hit in the high fees back in May (not sure if they have during this November spike).

I just hope we get to use monero and eth soon.

FOR!

For

FOR

I’d recommend LTC litecoin. Sends are so much faster and fees are minimal. Can buy from all the usual places can’t see how that’s not a win win

I found ETH to he lightening quick too

FOR
On-line sales need a reliable payment method Or its back to on-street sales!

FOR I love this site but the BTC fees are making me (and probably everyone else) leave this site and go back to old school street dealerswhere there's no safety net or anything.
Need to find a different way to pay. I don't mind a couple $$ but atm u can't justify it. They are crippling people.

FOR