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Dbo
by  Dbo
Gateway drug or not the ultimate debate!
Hi guys I’d like to get peoples opinions on whether you think it’s a gateway drug weed or is it more a case of people with addictive natures seek these other things out regardless of whether the great green erb opens the door or should I say gate lol
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william.com
Alcohol is the gateway. I’ve proved that to myself at this exact moment. I’m in Amsterdam, haven’t touched alcohol or any other narcotics in 3 years. I haven’t went a day without a smoke longer than youngster’s on here have had pubes🤣. Anyways decided I would have a beer, and I knew I was a changed person. My urge to go wild was there. I don’t mean violence, I mean the false confidence, the urge for more drugs and the amount of pish I would talk to my Mrs(not cheeky). Alcohol ruins life’s, I’ve continually watched this happen with family members. Just my opinion. 😁
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Dbo
Oh alcohol no doubt that’s when the bugle and other things can easily creep in and alone it’s destructive beyond belief but I do believe weed too young can be very addictive as the brains not fully developed and I’ve seen straight weed smokers when there was a drought end up on the Brown 🤦‍♂️ I think as an adult with pretty good mental health it can be a miracle for the mind and healing.
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william.com
I’ve have my mental health problems and always will have. I used to plead with my dad not to drink from a very young age as I grew up with its destruction. In my opinion you shouldn’t even mention the two things in the same conversation. I am an addict myself, I used to self medicated every day since I was 14 and that started for me with booze. We all have different opinions so there’s no hate here, I feel equipped in life with a good knowledge of these subjects, but I battled through till I was 45 and that’s when things changed in my life for the better. I used the brown for 2 years at the age of 25-27 for my anxiety as the Valium didn’t work no more. We’re all different mate, nobody will ever have your experiences. I’m smoking some good shit by the way. 🤣🤝🏻
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Dbo
I pretty much always notice a correlation in the weed and drink being used for past trauma and mental health medications but in my personal experience with addictions and the such with trauma you’re literally just putting a plaster over a gaping wound and expecting it to heal itself and if you’d seen some of the people I’ve seen clucking picking joint buts up from the ground people become addicted to brown because could t get weed I’d say some people are just wired different and will seek solace in any addiction that temporarily relieves the pain in head or body and some folks are blessed to just get the munchies watch some great moves and feel iriee 👌 loving the discussion and peoples perspectives and personal experiences.
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william.com
All good mate, the way I went was CBT, 3 years figuring out my problems and once I knew, changes everything. I now say every day we learn if you can be bothered. 😮‍💨🤝🏻
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Dbo
Same mate cbt and the likes and I’m around the same age I’m glad you’ve been able to find a blessed life through emotional intelligence and long may it continue!
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william.com
Thank you! Respect. 😁
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Shetlad123
Clean from the brown? Good on you lad, I lost an uncle last year due to that stuff, He'd been an addict since Grandad died back in 98, and it finally got to him. I used to share a joint back with him in my teens, and he was full of knowledge. He is what swore me off of stronger drugs (though he always raved about acid and Mushies, but he saw them as non addictive, more of an experience).

Really just wanted to say good on you.
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william.com
Thank you. The boys I did it with have all passed. I feel so lucky to still be here, gods truth. Respect.
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Zeek
This is the truth right here that us old skoolers know
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william.com
You was made to be tuff. Fckd us up, but still here. Don’t let them get you down. 🫱🏻‍🫲🏾
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Shetlad123
I think smoking cannabis gives people with addictive personalities access to other drugs. You tend to gravitate towards fellow stoners, some of whom may partake in other substances, allowing access to it. Sometimes it's a regional/locality thing, some areas some drugs are easier to access.

This is my opinion though, yours may vary and is of no less importance than mine.
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Dbo
I agree and growing up around it all I’ve seen how people can slip so easily into other stuff and I’ve also witnessed plenty of people who are able to treat weed like an occasional drink me on the other hand I’m completely hopeless when it comes to weed I’m either all day everyday or nothing at all I’ve never been able to just have the occasional joint so I’d put myself in the addictive nature category lol great response thanks for the input 👍
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Shetlad123
Hey man, I smoke (Dry Herb Vape) daily/nightly, work dependent.

I don't think I have a problem. Do you think you have a problem? We all see these things differently. I am quite happy to be sober for work and have a smoke in me the rest of the time.
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Dbo
You sound like you’re good with your consumption and you’re working and doing other stuff so sounds pretty healthy to me, I personally am disabled and was smoking more and more Q/half a day and it just kills my motivation and my munchie cupboard 🤣
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Shetlad123
Different circumstances! I consume for mental health reasons, and its hard to make people understand that. I appreciate you opening up this discussion.
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Dbo
Me too but again too much and the overthinking kicks and seems to exasperate, my problem is the worse the pain the more I smoke the more I’m in this stoned bubble watching nevtflix all day lol I appreciate everyone contributing there different opinions and personal experiences.
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TWDuke
Hi Dbo

Certainly addictive personalities are a thing, it seems to be down to genetics like many other things.

I can certainly tell that this is the case with alcoholic tendencies often found with multiple members of the same family.

In that respect william.com is sharing a pearl of wisdom here: alcohol is the true evil and does immense damage to individuals and society.

But all this talk of weed being a gateway drug I have found to be an excuse for politicians looking for votes.

I'm saying that because weed being illegal is where the gateway is IMO: if you went to a weed dispensary you might never come into contact with powders, pills etc whereas when you have to buy it illegally from a shady guy down a dark alley that dealer often has his pockets full of other products as he had to branch out in other more lucrative illegal trades to stay in business.

I am well aware of the fact that with modern weed strains having been engineered via horticulture to maximize their potency the potential for mental health side effects and negative impact on youngsters are well documented.

When I started smoking in the mid 80s we could only get landrace from Zaire and other parts of Africa or traditional hashes from Lebanon and Morocco.

The stuff they produce nowadays I often found to be too strong (bouts of paranoia, tachycardia, etc) and not so enjoyable compared to the smooth high and feel good vibe you get from a true landrace.
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Dbo
Very well put and the part about the modern strains I’d say you hit the nail on the head! I smoke a classic og kush or the likes with a bit of cbd in I’m good some of the modern stuff makes you feel like curtain twitching and putting a tinfoil hat on 🤣 thank you for everyone’s input it’s interesting to see others perspectives.
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TWDuke
Hi Dbo

Not sure what the status is as I stopped smoking more than 2 years ago but there used to be a few Landrace sellers round here.

The best was by far Hashishin though, its hashes were the real old school thing.
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william.com
🤣🤣🫱🏻‍🫲🏾
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william.com
Correct my friend, totally. Probs about the same age so smoking Thai, paki black, gold seal, red seal. The gold and red sent you one way or the other. 🤣😁
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TWDuke
Hi William

Red Lebanese is what I started with.

After a year or so we couldn't get it anymore.
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william.com
My first hash was straight out my mates brothers arse from Morocco. He arrive home in the morning and we was smoking 6hrs later. Good shit🤣
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Boooba
I personally wouldn’t say so, weed was about the seventh substance I tried and it never made me crave much else. I think it did the opposite and made me calm down my use of other substances. I would say, though, that the communities I’ve joined and friends I’ve made while partaking have been the biggest influence on me trying other substances, which seems to also be in line with what Shetlad said.
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Dbo
I think you went the other way most people start with the weed but you went uppers? Then I imagine the weed was like a big chill compared to a mad buzz and comedown and you found your friend in weed.
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Boooba
I definitely started things very weirdly. I don’t think I’ve actually done any uppers. I started with DMT and fell in love, binged that and a bunch of other psychedelics for about two years before I started weed, tried ket and MDMA but never liked them that much. Sober on psychedelics for a year and a half now due to severe hppd. I’ve definitely found my friend in weed, but man is it hard to moderate. I’ve been able to get my consumption down to .5-1g a day with a ball vape, whereas before it was 2-3G+. Even with just .5 a day, the brain fogs awful, so will probably need to decrease more.
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Dbo
I’m one for a ego reset every year I’ll do a run of shrooms and a few big trips seems to help my depression for up to a year each time before I find it creeping back in like nosferutu lol that’s a great decrease in consumption but you’re not going overboard but it’s all person maybe try a bit of L lions Maine mushrooms supposed to be good for brain function.
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pollypuff23
In my opinion the Big White Elephant in the room that doesn't get discussed enough is strength. We are in effect in a whole new world of THC delivery and consumption now that bears no resemblance to the past.

Despite THC tolerance being well understood, as we fail to achieve our previous highs we look to ratchet up the strength of our chosen products and boy has the market delivered! I know so may people who instead of taking a tolerance break or applying a little moderation have switched to carts to extracts to concentrates- blasting 100% THC products constantly. Still not understanding what is happening they then ratchet up the equipment for maximum extraction.

These friends of mine might not be addicted but they sure as hell have a dependence. Even the thought of a T break scares the shit out of them. And I'm sorry to say this but they will use their medical 'needs' as a crutch and an excuse. I know people who drink alcohol to self medicate, its not always that different.

It doesn't get discussed honestly because there is of course a macho club to who can consume the strongest and the most (bit like booze again huh?). If somebody posts a warning on here saying "Jeez guys I had a 500mg Zombie Fucker last night and I was in a coma for two days and thought I was going to die!" the responses will be "I'm In!"..."Post a link" and the store will sell out the same day!

I'm really not preaching. I've tried them all and I love them all. I'm not sure if its a Gateway because I'm not sure if it needs to be- it may prove to be the destination all on its own.
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Shetlad123
I agree on this too, dependency is the big issue with a lot of things. I consume daily and I have found myself seeking out concentrates, burning through 3G in 2 days and going "Maybe I need a break".

We don't want to stop doing things we enjoy, its human nature.

Sometimes we need to though, for reflection, a clear mind maybe? It's hard, but worthwhile.
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Zeek
No not a gateway to anything. Ive smoked for nearly 30 years and used to do a LOT of blow but thats ADHD related not related to each other. I dont drink anymore or touch other drugs. Alcohol is a gateway drug and 1000x more damaging, addictive and dangerous than any strain of weed that has ever or will ever exist

Check it out, booze is the WORST drug for all society, on the same level as heroin and costs the tax payer more than any other controlled substance in crime, nhs, damage, rtc's etc.
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Asaddd
I think it can go both ways.
For me as a teen I started with weed, then ecstasy, then alcohol, then lsd.
For me it was a gateway cos I was looking for different ways to get high.
I’ve grown out of many things and am happy with the occasional edible to get a great sleep and microdose psychedelics for mental health.
Alcohol gives me mad anxiety so I tend to steer clear of that. I’m 46 btw

But for others they use weed to keep off other drugs/ drink.
Have you ever been heard the term “Cali-sober”?
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Herb
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Zeek
Yeah I agree, it is just like screen time. Its about the person not the thing they get addicted to
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Bob Ope
I agree also,Ive used cannabis now for around 45 years on a regular basis and never once considered using other drugs such as opiates ,crack etc.I to think its down to the individual and their mental make up ,its not about the cannabis as that type of behaviour could also lead to habitual shoe shopping ,gambling ,drinking ,and in our society at present it would seem that many of us are now killing our selves with habitual eating as opposed to the starvation that used to kill us.it seems that if a resource is available then some people with over indulge to the point of self harm and others wont.
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