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How is Nationalism Any Different from Racism?
good one, i guess that goes for any anti colonial movement like vietnam for example
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How is Nationalism Any Different from Racism?
I don't want to give preference to someone the same color as me so why should I prefer someone for being born in the same country as me (or worse they are ordained a citizen by some twat)?
Basically it derives from the same origins. There are certain laws of ethnic relations in history of humankind, such as:
1. law of percentage: lets say a black person somewhere in gothenburg or copenhagen would trigger an amused curiosity and the outpouring of sincere sympathy, however, if you "inject" immigrant workers up to the fateful threshold of 4-8 percent and you will already have a racial situation - the nature of social relationships changes, engendering ethnic tensions, global reflexes painful to describe. The more the percentage increases, the more class struggle transforms itself into racial confrontation. Basically, this percentage is sufficient to make racial discrimination appear spontaneously in people who previously believed itself wholesome and devoid of any racist sentiment.
2. The law of assimilability: If majority and the minority belong to the same large ethnic group (all are white, or all a asian), then assimilation occurs progressively. For example, Spanish or Portuguese workers despised in France not so long ago, integrated themselves into population within the space of one generation; same for descendants of corsicans and the poles during napoleonic era, same for bambara minority living in senegal. But if the ethnic and cultural gap is too big, tensions are exacerbated with time. Like African Blacks and Arabs find themselves in this situation in Europe. Coexistance basically becomes possible only in a truly Socialist state or a state that has adopted a high morality philosophy.
3. the law of distance: like two ethnic groups that are not fighting over the same living space or same market and occupy different territories separated by space can enter into normal relationships. Like that an alliance can be explained during world war 2 between hitlers germany and japan. or relationship of pretoria with israel state.
4. the law of phenotype: basically physical appearance. It would matter little tgat botha and zulu in africa have the same genotype (same genes in the chromosomes) and it would have no influence on their daily lives because their external features are so different.
Laws of class struggle according to history applies only to societies previously made homogeneous by violence. Funny, that the most modern nations actually went through this bestial struggles before (Americas, australia, new zealand, good part of asia, greenland, huge part of pacific, scandinavia, etc, etc).For example Blacks of Americas were brough over to work the land, while the indigenous races were being destroyed. So, the "more advanced" barbarious conquerors exterminated/drove out whole populations, devastated or abandoned productive forces they they simply did not know how to use. This specific law is one of my favourite... how spartan domination ended by crumbling particularly because of the great numeric weakness of their REAL citizens. Because their society consisting of spartan conquerors and lowly helots both belonged to the same large white-skinned 'race', ethnic differences became blurred and it allowed class differences appeared only in an economic sense.
Same goes for Rome and Carthage, Rwanda-Burundi, Francs and Gallo-Romans.
Have a look at the american immigration laws and how it progressed throghout 19-20 centuries. This law also gave birth to so called intra-european racism, etc.
We forget that the passage from a clan to a monolingual tribe and to ethnic group and to nationality historically was a result, a consequences of clans exogamy. It is still widely discussed by specialists. But it marked starting point of the current civilization.
Endogamy was prohibited and we, humans, just started fucking people from the outside kkk several neibourhing clans contracted marriage ties that led them eventually to speak same languages despite that their original idioms were different.
The number of clans to gather together to work a more or less powerful tribe didnt follow any rules and depended mostly on the fertility and extent of the lands occupied by the group. Thus was born nationality.
In the course of history, when two groups of people argued over a vital economic space, the slightest ethnic difference can be magnified, temporarily serving as a pretext for social and political cleavage: differences in physical appearances, colour of your passport, language, religions, morals and customs.
We forget that basically future generations must forget about the dead so that the conquering people can undergo a rebirth with an angelic consience.
Why do we almost idolise, for example, conquistadors, holy crusaders and vikings? Pillagers, rapists, murderers and worse.
Most of the things we learn and follow, most of the times, blindly, things we consider as truths and solid facts, the very foundation of our personal universes - it was predominantly build based on someones ideologies.
Books, that our kids and us read, are also written under certain circumstances, conditions, requirements, with certain motivations. Dictated by an ideology.
Sooo.... sorry for the massive message. It just questions like this trigger something inside me, something that i consciously try to understand and overcome. For before we are races or nationalities, boys or girls, gays or straight, we are humans.
Peace yo.
1. law of percentage: lets say a black person somewhere in gothenburg or copenhagen would trigger an amused curiosity and the outpouring of sincere sympathy, however, if you "inject" immigrant workers up to the fateful threshold of 4-8 percent and you will already have a racial situation - the nature of social relationships changes, engendering ethnic tensions, global reflexes painful to describe. The more the percentage increases, the more class struggle transforms itself into racial confrontation. Basically, this percentage is sufficient to make racial discrimination appear spontaneously in people who previously believed itself wholesome and devoid of any racist sentiment.
2. The law of assimilability: If majority and the minority belong to the same large ethnic group (all are white, or all a asian), then assimilation occurs progressively. For example, Spanish or Portuguese workers despised in France not so long ago, integrated themselves into population within the space of one generation; same for descendants of corsicans and the poles during napoleonic era, same for bambara minority living in senegal. But if the ethnic and cultural gap is too big, tensions are exacerbated with time. Like African Blacks and Arabs find themselves in this situation in Europe. Coexistance basically becomes possible only in a truly Socialist state or a state that has adopted a high morality philosophy.
3. the law of distance: like two ethnic groups that are not fighting over the same living space or same market and occupy different territories separated by space can enter into normal relationships. Like that an alliance can be explained during world war 2 between hitlers germany and japan. or relationship of pretoria with israel state.
4. the law of phenotype: basically physical appearance. It would matter little tgat botha and zulu in africa have the same genotype (same genes in the chromosomes) and it would have no influence on their daily lives because their external features are so different.
Laws of class struggle according to history applies only to societies previously made homogeneous by violence. Funny, that the most modern nations actually went through this bestial struggles before (Americas, australia, new zealand, good part of asia, greenland, huge part of pacific, scandinavia, etc, etc).For example Blacks of Americas were brough over to work the land, while the indigenous races were being destroyed. So, the "more advanced" barbarious conquerors exterminated/drove out whole populations, devastated or abandoned productive forces they they simply did not know how to use. This specific law is one of my favourite... how spartan domination ended by crumbling particularly because of the great numeric weakness of their REAL citizens. Because their society consisting of spartan conquerors and lowly helots both belonged to the same large white-skinned 'race', ethnic differences became blurred and it allowed class differences appeared only in an economic sense.
Same goes for Rome and Carthage, Rwanda-Burundi, Francs and Gallo-Romans.
Have a look at the american immigration laws and how it progressed throghout 19-20 centuries. This law also gave birth to so called intra-european racism, etc.
We forget that the passage from a clan to a monolingual tribe and to ethnic group and to nationality historically was a result, a consequences of clans exogamy. It is still widely discussed by specialists. But it marked starting point of the current civilization.
Endogamy was prohibited and we, humans, just started fucking people from the outside kkk several neibourhing clans contracted marriage ties that led them eventually to speak same languages despite that their original idioms were different.
The number of clans to gather together to work a more or less powerful tribe didnt follow any rules and depended mostly on the fertility and extent of the lands occupied by the group. Thus was born nationality.
In the course of history, when two groups of people argued over a vital economic space, the slightest ethnic difference can be magnified, temporarily serving as a pretext for social and political cleavage: differences in physical appearances, colour of your passport, language, religions, morals and customs.
We forget that basically future generations must forget about the dead so that the conquering people can undergo a rebirth with an angelic consience.
Why do we almost idolise, for example, conquistadors, holy crusaders and vikings? Pillagers, rapists, murderers and worse.
Most of the things we learn and follow, most of the times, blindly, things we consider as truths and solid facts, the very foundation of our personal universes - it was predominantly build based on someones ideologies.
Books, that our kids and us read, are also written under certain circumstances, conditions, requirements, with certain motivations. Dictated by an ideology.
Sooo.... sorry for the massive message. It just questions like this trigger something inside me, something that i consciously try to understand and overcome. For before we are races or nationalities, boys or girls, gays or straight, we are humans.
Peace yo.
Interesting points. I just came across this forum and will make a contribution. Meanwhile, on the topic of Scottish Nationalism, I have myself proposed Independence For England! We English (whatever that means through consensus) vote in a referendum to dissolve the union of England and Scotland. Never mind what they want, how about what we want, which may be to separate from them, along with the subject nation of Wales. We'll have our own oven ready breakfast and our own national covid death toll, while we surrender the last shreds of our integrity to the fucking Yanks and the fucking Chinese whose government leaders wouldn't make the groove as a couple of Pox Doctor's clerks.
Please dont have the idea that all Scots want independence
. Plenty are and always will be happy to be part of the union. There is more at play than just Scottish Independence, certain elements see Scottish independence as a means to help another cause. Understand that Independence of Scotland is not the endgame for a lot of SNP supporters.
. Plenty are and always will be happy to be part of the union. There is more at play than just Scottish Independence, certain elements see Scottish independence as a means to help another cause. Understand that Independence of Scotland is not the endgame for a lot of SNP supporters.
The whole SNP "independence" thing is a facade.
The SNP want to leave our union and join the EU club because they'll give them more money than Westminster does.
They still want to be financially "dependent", just a more generous sugar daddy.
I'm talking about the SNP, not all Scots :)
The SNP want to leave our union and join the EU club because they'll give them more money than Westminster does.
They still want to be financially "dependent", just a more generous sugar daddy.
I'm talking about the SNP, not all Scots :)
High Raskolnikov. Your post showed as a comment on mine so You're addressing me, then. I have no intention of stating anything about what Scots want. My point is that I consider an English Independence Referendum is incumbent on ourselves to determine our Englishness without the input of the other three nations. Devolution, revolution, phooey! We want ablution. Wash our hands of the lot of you. Do we? Who does? Has anyone got this underway? Sturgeon and Salmond? Something fishy about those two!
Interesting points Vikosh. I feel that England is a pretty tribal place.
Being born and growing up in the North, spending the last 2 decades in the South, and finally relocating back to the North of England, iβd say there are even considerable cultural and economic differences between different areas of this country.
There was a political movement that started a few years ago, that seems to now be on the back burner, for northern independence. While this is a lofty pursuit, and iβm unsure how successful it might be if implemented, I think it suggests that certain areas of our country define themselves not on a national footing but a regional one.
Personally I consider myself English and Irish, rather than British, but more crucially, being Northern trumps βEnglishnessβ for meβ¦. race doesnβt come into it for me. Social class plays a large factor too.
Iβd take a working class community in the North populated with English South Asians, Roma, and West African people over a predominantly white, middle class community in rural Hampshire- this is down to personal experience and unscientific, just my preference having lived in both places.
Great topic!
Being born and growing up in the North, spending the last 2 decades in the South, and finally relocating back to the North of England, iβd say there are even considerable cultural and economic differences between different areas of this country.
There was a political movement that started a few years ago, that seems to now be on the back burner, for northern independence. While this is a lofty pursuit, and iβm unsure how successful it might be if implemented, I think it suggests that certain areas of our country define themselves not on a national footing but a regional one.
Personally I consider myself English and Irish, rather than British, but more crucially, being Northern trumps βEnglishnessβ for meβ¦. race doesnβt come into it for me. Social class plays a large factor too.
Iβd take a working class community in the North populated with English South Asians, Roma, and West African people over a predominantly white, middle class community in rural Hampshire- this is down to personal experience and unscientific, just my preference having lived in both places.
Great topic!
I wouldn’t blame the English people if they started to see things this way but we are still all better as a union and I think you know this. Sturgeon and Salmond are just typical politicians mate who lying is a big part of the job description. There has been a huge change in Scotland in my lifetime where the working class vote has moved away from labour to the snp. Labour has shot themselves in the foot so many times but also the snp politics has changed. I have been on this earth a long time and the snp have changed so much. Sturgeon is still using her bloody daily briefing up here to try to indoctrinate the nation. I’m going to stop here as I am ranting.
Not English, then. To be born an Englishman is to win first prize in the lottery of life. That life being the infliction of Imperialism on 25% of the world's population. Nothing wrong with that, was there?
Sturgeon's manifesto was just a wish list, impossible to accomplish. I don't want Scotland to leave. We may rib each other on things but I'd like to think we have each others back when things get tough. We live on the same island. Crazy to break up.
I am British not Scottish or Welsh or Irish or English but British.
So the idea of England going on its own is kind of laughable.
I prefer this great country as one nation,I have lived all over UK so I class myself as British. Ever since devolved countries we had loads of petty arguments enough of the arguments and do there jobs.
The Scottish independence route will end up like n ireland scottish people are divided straight down the middle so can see issues battle grounds comes to mind bombings etc etc just like n ireland AND its not going to happen anyway thank god.:D
Or you english going be invaded of all the people that do not want there countries independent lol.
Plus the Queen will never allow it to happen she is still the most powerful lady in this country and can override any laws in the UK set by government it is in the small print when she signed it over to the government. She has her palaces all over the UK.
She wants to send to her son to America to answer for the crimes he is guilty as fk otherwise he would have gone over and answered there questions on very serious sex crimes.
Guilty as fk he is by dodging the request of the FBI and CIA law to himself hiding behind mummy he is.
I am British loud and proud !!!
So the idea of England going on its own is kind of laughable.
I prefer this great country as one nation,I have lived all over UK so I class myself as British. Ever since devolved countries we had loads of petty arguments enough of the arguments and do there jobs.
The Scottish independence route will end up like n ireland scottish people are divided straight down the middle so can see issues battle grounds comes to mind bombings etc etc just like n ireland AND its not going to happen anyway thank god.:D
Or you english going be invaded of all the people that do not want there countries independent lol.
Plus the Queen will never allow it to happen she is still the most powerful lady in this country and can override any laws in the UK set by government it is in the small print when she signed it over to the government. She has her palaces all over the UK.
She wants to send to her son to America to answer for the crimes he is guilty as fk otherwise he would have gone over and answered there questions on very serious sex crimes.
Guilty as fk he is by dodging the request of the FBI and CIA law to himself hiding behind mummy he is.
I am British loud and proud !!!
I’m British and Scottish mate. Think it is possible to be both. I’m not interested in Independence and believe it will not happen and will be a disaster if it does. In Scotland Salmond courted a certain block vote and got it. That is what has got the snp to where they are. That and shortbread tin thinking. They will soon want to let over 14 s vote. As I said in another post, Scottish Independence is not the endgame for a lot of snp.
I always thought this, we are taught to be separate and see our differences constantly, great way for a small percentage of people to control us with concepts like "nationalism" and this your "land" blah blah.
It was a joke mate but fuck, Vietnam. Is that what you are comparing Scottish Independence to?
Are you talking about Arab supremacists like Hamza Yousaf ? I'm unaware of any other racists in Scotland .
Scotland's nationalist party don't want to exclude races, they want independence from another countries rule. It's not about racism.
lol. ok, i'll bite...
nationalism is a term for those with common interests as citizens of the same country working together for mutual benefit and/or pride.
racism is a hatred of one or more person/s where skin colour is the basis used for the defining attribute.
neither is mandatory last I heard.
nationalism is a term for those with common interests as citizens of the same country working together for mutual benefit and/or pride.
racism is a hatred of one or more person/s where skin colour is the basis used for the defining attribute.
neither is mandatory last I heard.
a lot of nationalists aren't so much racists as exclusionary. they believe in a social contact that only exists amongst members. outsiders are not part of the deal.
Just like you would naturally have a preference for feeding your own family in your own home, before you concerned yourself with feeding anyone else.
This would not mean you hated other people, or didn't wish the best for them.
I think Nationalism is often confused with extreme Right wing ideologies, when it could be Left or Right really.
This would not mean you hated other people, or didn't wish the best for them.
I think Nationalism is often confused with extreme Right wing ideologies, when it could be Left or Right really.
Yes you could look into the SNPs distant past or alternatively you could look at what the Tories are doing right now as we speak under your very nose.
It is funny how a conversation about nationalism is related to the SNP when anyone with eyes can see that British nationalism is the one being pushed everywhere in Britain.
The SNP didn't spend 2 million quid on a set of blue curtains and two Union Jacks and it is not the SNP who are plastering everything with the Butcher's apron either!
It is funny how a conversation about nationalism is related to the SNP when anyone with eyes can see that British nationalism is the one being pushed everywhere in Britain.
The SNP didn't spend 2 million quid on a set of blue curtains and two Union Jacks and it is not the SNP who are plastering everything with the Butcher's apron either!
Not even Ethno nationalism is racist . You can love your own ethnicity more than others without hating them .
Because we can change our nationality as it’s make believe. You cannot change your DNA which is real
Nationalism has more positive range for example promoting culture. Racism is usually associated with negative feelings about other races.
They both seem doomed if you ask me.
They both seem doomed if you ask me.
only in touchy feely places like the uk ... not in most other countrys ... too much self hatred in this country ...
Not synonymous, but it's an interesting point.
In some sense, I think it is an individual and academic choice to be patriotic (even that is turned into a dirty word now), root for your country or be proud of it voxally. It's OK to like your country if you really do. You do live there after all. It's just a country. Other countries are not minorities in their own country as the British are not here.
As you allude to, it is a lottery, not a skill, being British (or Irish for that matter). There is little merit to being "proud" I agree. But it doesn't oppress anyone or anything in itself. It is a way to preserving culture and way of life. You can't pick who you think should be able to do that.
Otherwise, the takeaway is, only the oppressed are allowed to be proud of anything and preserve culture. What kind of world is that?
I do think that no matter what, being proud of your race is pointless, stupid and divisive.
It suggests a nexus between a superiority or exceptionality and racial group.
After all, skin colour is decided only by a few alleles in the genome and indicates very little about one's charachter.
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In some sense, I think it is an individual and academic choice to be patriotic (even that is turned into a dirty word now), root for your country or be proud of it voxally. It's OK to like your country if you really do. You do live there after all. It's just a country. Other countries are not minorities in their own country as the British are not here.
As you allude to, it is a lottery, not a skill, being British (or Irish for that matter). There is little merit to being "proud" I agree. But it doesn't oppress anyone or anything in itself. It is a way to preserving culture and way of life. You can't pick who you think should be able to do that.
Otherwise, the takeaway is, only the oppressed are allowed to be proud of anything and preserve culture. What kind of world is that?
I do think that no matter what, being proud of your race is pointless, stupid and divisive.
It suggests a nexus between a superiority or exceptionality and racial group.
After all, skin colour is decided only by a few alleles in the genome and indicates very little about one's charachter.
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Racism is necessarily exclusionary. But Nationalism isn't.
In general I am wary of nationalism, but there are times when it has achieved positives.
In general I am wary of nationalism, but there are times when it has achieved positives.
I think it is oxytocin that causes the problems as it creates aggressive in-grouping, be it from the innateness from skin colour or the innateness from where someone was born.
There was a study I linked to but there is more out there about the dark side of oxytocin. There was quite a few articles in the dumber section of media about giving men oxytocin to fix their aggression problems when in fact it might be a major factor in causing them.
There was a study I linked to but there is more out there about the dark side of oxytocin. There was quite a few articles in the dumber section of media about giving men oxytocin to fix their aggression problems when in fact it might be a major factor in causing them.
There seem to be a prevailing perspective of an individualistic view on what racism is, i.e. the hatred or superiority of another race, nation, or ethnicity, however this view is overly simplistic as racism is structural and systemic and is only dependent on the individual when their actions are supported by the larger system.
One can be xenophobic, discriminatory and/or prejudiced against others from other places without it being racism if they are not the dominant race/ethnicity/or culture.
Racism = power + prejudice. That is the current understanding and definition of racism in social sciences and some dictionaries (as with Merriam Webster, which was updated two or three years ago). That is not to say that racial prejudice or discrimination is allowable or tolerable. It's not. However to quantify both types of prejudice (the one that is solely individual and the one that is supported by systemic structures) as the same thing or equivalent is false.
One is an individual opinion and has no greater repurcussions than that person's world's or actions, the other however plays into a wider narrative of oppression that reinforces the structural oppression and contributes to and reinforces societal and structural discrimination.
Nationalism is different in several ways.
Firstly, pride in ones nation does not mean an inherent prejudice or discrimination against those that come from other nations (although all too often it does manifest in such a way).
Secondly, if those expressing nationalist sentiment are not the dominant authority over said nation, then it is not racism but discrimination and prejudice as they lack the power to manifest that discrimination through institutions or on a structural scale. This type of nationalism often manifests as a resistance to colonial and imperial forces. In those cases the nationalism is not being the of an ideological superiority or innate belief in the dominance of one nation over another, but rather a resistance to such.
Therefore nationalism and racism only become the same when said nation propogates their dominance and superiority over others while simultaneously systemically oppressing other nations or supporting existing structural oppression and prejudice.
https://www.dismantlingracism.org/racism-defined.html
One can be xenophobic, discriminatory and/or prejudiced against others from other places without it being racism if they are not the dominant race/ethnicity/or culture.
Racism = power + prejudice. That is the current understanding and definition of racism in social sciences and some dictionaries (as with Merriam Webster, which was updated two or three years ago). That is not to say that racial prejudice or discrimination is allowable or tolerable. It's not. However to quantify both types of prejudice (the one that is solely individual and the one that is supported by systemic structures) as the same thing or equivalent is false.
One is an individual opinion and has no greater repurcussions than that person's world's or actions, the other however plays into a wider narrative of oppression that reinforces the structural oppression and contributes to and reinforces societal and structural discrimination.
Nationalism is different in several ways.
Firstly, pride in ones nation does not mean an inherent prejudice or discrimination against those that come from other nations (although all too often it does manifest in such a way).
Secondly, if those expressing nationalist sentiment are not the dominant authority over said nation, then it is not racism but discrimination and prejudice as they lack the power to manifest that discrimination through institutions or on a structural scale. This type of nationalism often manifests as a resistance to colonial and imperial forces. In those cases the nationalism is not being the of an ideological superiority or innate belief in the dominance of one nation over another, but rather a resistance to such.
Therefore nationalism and racism only become the same when said nation propogates their dominance and superiority over others while simultaneously systemically oppressing other nations or supporting existing structural oppression and prejudice.
https://www.dismantlingracism.org/racism-defined.html
That's the woke idea of racism . It's not useful for anything but justifying woke racism .
Racism is a universal principle . Once you start adding caveats it becomes a self defeating philosophy . Racism under the new woke definition is itself racist .
Racism is a universal principle . Once you start adding caveats it becomes a self defeating philosophy . Racism under the new woke definition is itself racist .
I'm a nationalist. I want England and all our major cities to be English and not resemble Bangladesh. That makes one a racist nowadays.
If the reason you give for those cities resembling Bangladesh is people of other races, that's kinda the definition of racism. If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's probably a closet racist.
The people make the nation. Change the people and the nation changes with it. Very simple concept to understand that is being proved everyday in this country. Natives are being demographically replaced in our homeland, but because we're white native displacement is considered a moral good. Soon British children are going to grow up as hated minorities in their own country. The clock is ticking...
So it's about revenge? Not exactly on to a winner with that argument. 99.99% of Britons had nothing to do with the British Empire. Just say you have an anti-white bloodlust and shut up
no, its just a result of a worldwide empire. i love whites and certianly wont shut up in the face of an ignorant one.
Nonsense answer. It's happening in Ireland as well. They didn't have an Empire and were subjugated by us.
I was just watching this video of Nick Shirley in Ireland . https://youtu.be/WfJggeIw_94?si=53bYT9Vv6eHP90wL
I think Ireland might be in even bigger trouble than Britain. There doesn't seem to be any political representation for them at all.
I think you're right . However , they do community a lot better over there . I reckon they're more likely to fight back sooner . We've already seen it in places like Coolock .
It really is awful what they've done to Ireland .
It really is awful what they've done to Ireland .
I have two lefties in my DMs threatening to post my address and do violence against me because I called out the violence of Islam . These lefties are truly disgusting
The reason certain areas of Britain look like Bangladesh now is because we've let in too many people from other cultures without giving them a chance to assimilate .
I have no hate towards Bangladesh . I'd love to visit some day , but when I go to London , I don't want to be surrounded by Bangladeshis , I want to be surrounded by Londoners and their culture . London is lost now . The culture of London can never recover from the insane amount of immigrants we've allowed to move there . It's very sad for anyone who loves British culture . Of course racists like yourself who hate whites and Brits can't see the problem .
I have no hate towards Bangladesh . I'd love to visit some day , but when I go to London , I don't want to be surrounded by Bangladeshis , I want to be surrounded by Londoners and their culture . London is lost now . The culture of London can never recover from the insane amount of immigrants we've allowed to move there . It's very sad for anyone who loves British culture . Of course racists like yourself who hate whites and Brits can't see the problem .
London never had any 'culture'? Means one thing that was ever cultural about London, that you don't see now.
How can you say such a thing ?
Is London the only city that never had any culture ? What about Tokyo , Rome , or Paris ?
Does culture even exist in your world view ?
London used to be the capital of British culture . The British people are the one thing that made London a cultural hub . Those people are being pushed out at an alarming rate . 40% of London are now foreign born . These people have brought their own culture with them . This is why some parts of London feel more like Bangladesh these days .
Bangladesh is a very apt example as It's a region which has recently had it's own culture eradicated by fundamentalist expansionist Islamists . Bangladesh should be a warning to us about the dangers of uncontrolled immigration .
I don't know about you but I love my people . I don't want to see them replaced by people from the third world . I think that would be extremely racist .
Is London the only city that never had any culture ? What about Tokyo , Rome , or Paris ?
Does culture even exist in your world view ?
London used to be the capital of British culture . The British people are the one thing that made London a cultural hub . Those people are being pushed out at an alarming rate . 40% of London are now foreign born . These people have brought their own culture with them . This is why some parts of London feel more like Bangladesh these days .
Bangladesh is a very apt example as It's a region which has recently had it's own culture eradicated by fundamentalist expansionist Islamists . Bangladesh should be a warning to us about the dangers of uncontrolled immigration .
I don't know about you but I love my people . I don't want to see them replaced by people from the third world . I think that would be extremely racist .
Even through that lengthy rant, at no point did you mention any examples of London culture that no longer survive to this day. Why is that?
If you calm down and read more critically , you will see that I offered the British people themselves as the one cultural asset which no longer survives in London . Now answer my questions .
So you don't know. Just say that. British people are not a CULTURAL TRADITION. That and, they are still in London. Your issue is just plain racism, you don't like seeing people that aren't white in your country. Here's a few examples of culture that still exist in London. Pie and Mash, Cockney slang, Shakespeares globe, the museums, the cathedrals, the monarchy. I'd go on, but what's the point. You're a loser Pete. I'm a proud Scottish Nationalist, and we Love our culture, we also love new cultures and people's that have settled in Scotland and consider it home. You know why? Because we aren't like you. We're accepting. We want the best for Scotland, not for Whites, because fuck that stupid bigotry racist shite. You can be Brown, Black, Green or Blue, we don't care, as long as you love Scotland too, and contribute to the nation. Whether that be through paying taxes, or education. People make Scotland. Not just white people. Guess what? The only country that tried to destroy our cultural traditions is now our friends. Well, some of you.
You get racists in every country, the UK is no exception, but the way you talk is frankly disgusting.
You get racists in every country, the UK is no exception, but the way you talk is frankly disgusting.
What a nasty and unfounded rant . You know we can disagree and still be friendly .
My best and oldest friend is half Ghanaian . I love all ethnicities but I have a duty to protect my own .
I don't want to see any ethnicity replaced in their own lands , but I have a special obligation to the replacement happening here .
The British people are the ones who carry the British tradition . The people who replace us will not carry on the culture in our place .
Who is going to be speaking cockney or eating pie and mash once there are no Brits left in London ? The shocking speed of the replacement means there is no hope for new comers to assimilate .
You are being very short sighted if you consider yourself a proud nationalist yet can't see the danger your culture is in .
Are you not shocked that 40% of London are now foreign born ? These people bring their own cultures . At that concentration , they couldn't assimilate even if they wanted to .
How would you feel about replacing 40% of Tokyo with Americans ? Would it still be Japanese or would it ruin the culture ?
My best and oldest friend is half Ghanaian . I love all ethnicities but I have a duty to protect my own .
I don't want to see any ethnicity replaced in their own lands , but I have a special obligation to the replacement happening here .
The British people are the ones who carry the British tradition . The people who replace us will not carry on the culture in our place .
Who is going to be speaking cockney or eating pie and mash once there are no Brits left in London ? The shocking speed of the replacement means there is no hope for new comers to assimilate .
You are being very short sighted if you consider yourself a proud nationalist yet can't see the danger your culture is in .
Are you not shocked that 40% of London are now foreign born ? These people bring their own cultures . At that concentration , they couldn't assimilate even if they wanted to .
How would you feel about replacing 40% of Tokyo with Americans ? Would it still be Japanese or would it ruin the culture ?
So you're best and oldest friend is not your own, because he's Ghanaian? What an absurd view.
"Who is going to be speaking cockney or eating pie and mash once there are no Brits left in London?" why, are all those non whites going to commit genocide and Take Urr Cuntray?
"You are being very short sighted if you consider yourself a proud nationalist yet can't see the danger your culture is in" our cultural heritage has never been stronger, not since you lot tried to destroy our culture by banning our language, banning our kilts, removing us from the highlands, but, we forgave you sad little people.
"Are you not shocked that 40% of London are now foreign born?" I don't understand where the problem is here?
"How would you feel about replacing 40% of Tokyo with Americans ? Would it still be Japanese or would it ruin the culture?" Considering that the Japanese are very western leaning, they still have a fantastic historical heritage and legacy, that will never go away. Just like how Londons heritage is very much alive to this day.
Again, you're just a racist Pete.
"Who is going to be speaking cockney or eating pie and mash once there are no Brits left in London?" why, are all those non whites going to commit genocide and Take Urr Cuntray?
"You are being very short sighted if you consider yourself a proud nationalist yet can't see the danger your culture is in" our cultural heritage has never been stronger, not since you lot tried to destroy our culture by banning our language, banning our kilts, removing us from the highlands, but, we forgave you sad little people.
"Are you not shocked that 40% of London are now foreign born?" I don't understand where the problem is here?
"How would you feel about replacing 40% of Tokyo with Americans ? Would it still be Japanese or would it ruin the culture?" Considering that the Japanese are very western leaning, they still have a fantastic historical heritage and legacy, that will never go away. Just like how Londons heritage is very much alive to this day.
Again, you're just a racist Pete.
I never said my Ghanaian friend wasn't my own . Why are you misrepresenting me ?
He is a very British black man . He also understands this problem . Would you call him a racist for holding the same views as me or does he get a free pass for being black ?
If you replace all the British people with foreigners then obviously the culture will be lost . It hasn't taken a genocide to replace 40% , but violence is certainly not off the table for incoming cultures . Look at what the Muslims recently did to the Hindus in Bangladesh for example .
If the Japanese are replaced by Brits , they will obviously lose their strong culture . This goes without saying .
You're being unreasonable and actually absurd in your denial . It's basic maths . I think I'll leave it there . Please stop calling me a racist without a shred of evidence for it .
He is a very British black man . He also understands this problem . Would you call him a racist for holding the same views as me or does he get a free pass for being black ?
If you replace all the British people with foreigners then obviously the culture will be lost . It hasn't taken a genocide to replace 40% , but violence is certainly not off the table for incoming cultures . Look at what the Muslims recently did to the Hindus in Bangladesh for example .
If the Japanese are replaced by Brits , they will obviously lose their strong culture . This goes without saying .
You're being unreasonable and actually absurd in your denial . It's basic maths . I think I'll leave it there . Please stop calling me a racist without a shred of evidence for it .
British people are ''culture'' because culture is simply the expression of your national character and personality. You live and breathe culture simply by being who you are. Only small numbers of foreigners can be integrated into that. You change the people and the culture changes with it
If it's the colour of people's skin you're referring to, and you're suggesting you have to be white to be regarded as english, then yes, you are. Not just nowadays, always.
So you deny the English of their genetic heritage ? For you to understand how racist that it , I want you to apply your reasoning to any other ethnicity ?
Are the Japanese , Chinese , and Africans racist for holding these ethno nationalist views or does it only apply to white people ? If you're only applying this standard to white people then you are the racist .
Of course it's possible to be civically British and ethnically foreign , but like any foreigner who moves to another country , we should respect the people we are trying to join . That includes the ethnicity and the culture of the natives . There's nothing racist about respecting the countries that take us in .
Are the Japanese , Chinese , and Africans racist for holding these ethno nationalist views or does it only apply to white people ? If you're only applying this standard to white people then you are the racist .
Of course it's possible to be civically British and ethnically foreign , but like any foreigner who moves to another country , we should respect the people we are trying to join . That includes the ethnicity and the culture of the natives . There's nothing racist about respecting the countries that take us in .
English genetic heritage? Which one? The ones that originate from Germania? The Vikings? The Norman's? Your genetic heritage has more influence from other nationalities, not just the Angles. Who were German.
As is true for every single ethnicity on Earth . Yes , we are a mix , just like everyone else , but I don't think you're denying the existence of ethnicity , are you ?
Race is extremely important to the ethnicity of the Japanese , Chinese , Africans , etc .
Ethno nationalism is the norm in the rest of the world .
Do you think the rest of the world are all racist too ?
Ethno nationalism is the norm in the rest of the world .
Do you think the rest of the world are all racist too ?
I had to repeat myself because you didn't address this point the first time I made it . Instead you chose to argue about semantics . I don't think you have an actual argument
You can't engage me on this argument because it would expose your double standard and prove that you are the racist one here .
That's why all you can do is dodge and insult .
That's why all you can do is dodge and insult .
I'm racist because I have no issue with immigration and multiple cultures? That's new. I'm very happy to welcome people who want to make a life here, that want to work and contribute, I couldn't give a flying fuck what nationality someone is, or what skin colour they are, as long as they aren't like you Petey boyyo. You really should reread this entire conversation.
You're a racist because you deny the British of their culture and genetics . Unless you hold this view consistently for all people , Africans , Asians , etc , then you are being racist .
Genetics, really? So you must be white too be British? Nobody is destroying British culture you fuckwit Pete. You couldn't even give an example of British culture that no longer exists.
Still no argument . I really don't think you have one . It's all baseless insults with you lot .
My argument has already been covered. Nobody is taking away Londons culture. You're a fool for thinking it.
Different argument . We had to give up on that one because you were denying the obvious . 40% and growing fast is obviously going to impact the culture. I will argue no more with you about that .
Let me copy and paste the question you are dodging :
Race is extremely important to the ethnicity of the Japanese , Chinese , Africans , etc .
Ethno nationalism is the norm in the rest of the world .
Do you think the rest of the world are all racist too ?
Please try to keep track .
Let me copy and paste the question you are dodging :
Race is extremely important to the ethnicity of the Japanese , Chinese , Africans , etc .
Ethno nationalism is the norm in the rest of the world .
Do you think the rest of the world are all racist too ?
Please try to keep track .
Ethno nationalism is only the norm in your world pal, not in the world of the less ignorant.
Ethno nationalism is the norm in China , Japan , and most African countries .
This is an objectively true fact . Do you think they're racist too ?
This is an objectively true fact . Do you think they're racist too ?
english is a race mate just like indian im english if i move to india im not an indian ? same thing should apply in the uk
India did it's own conquering and assimilating . Every country has . The UK was just the best at it . The people who are still practicing this expansionism are the fundamentalist Islamists . Islamists are the only genuine far right threat yet they're championed by you lefties because they happen to be foreign . If you want to fight racism , you should oppose Islamist expansionists . You can ask your Indian friends all about this . They know all too well the dangers of fundamentalist Islam . I think you'll find they prefer the British to the Islamists these days .
No , it was wrong . But there's a big difference . Christian expansionists went against the teachings of Jesus . Islamic expansionists are doing exactly what Muhammad did .
I have many non white and Muslim friends who I love dearly . I think you've got the wrong idea here . Who told you I was racist ?
I have many non white and Muslim friends who I love dearly . I think you've got the wrong idea here . Who told you I was racist ?
Since when were the Crusades against the teachings of Jesus? Your rants show your true colours Pete. Nobody admits they're racist, I'm telling you, you are.
I don't consider the Crusades to be expansionism . That's a poor example .
Actually , racists do admit they're racist . That's just hateful woke rhetoric so you don't have to engage . You label and other your political opponents because you don't have an argument . It's bigoted and hateful . I assure you , you are far more racist than I am .
Actually , racists do admit they're racist . That's just hateful woke rhetoric so you don't have to engage . You label and other your political opponents because you don't have an argument . It's bigoted and hateful . I assure you , you are far more racist than I am .
You'd be surprised . My view is on the rise in the West . Just look at the US . I was an ignorant lefty like yourself until about August of last year when the riots started and I spent time doing some independent research on the topics raised .
I change my mind based on facts and logic .
I change my mind based on facts and logic .
Yep, it's like Nazi Germany all over again. They were Nationalists too you know. If you changed your mind based on facts and logic, I'd expect you did your research through Musk and GB News.
I also don't subscribe to this whole lefty/righty pish. People that use the term Woke are just a walking talking embarrassment to themselves and others.
I also don't subscribe to this whole lefty/righty pish. People that use the term Woke are just a walking talking embarrassment to themselves and others.
No, being English is not a race it's an ethnicity and nationality. You thick slab of gammon
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what's the longest time youve spent in vr?
jeez it takes me longer than that to decide on porn :)
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what's the longest time youve spent in vr?
i'm really interested in immediate effects and anything that persists. for me it's under an hour and i was disoriented for maybe 8 hours with a 1/2 life around 1 hour.
Same, although i was watching porn for about 3, maybe 4 minutes. Not gonna lie.
Cheers. BB
Cheers. BB
I'm a tantric Sex God. But also over 40, drinking relatively heavily and dabbing up to half a g a day. Y'know how it goes...
I wish i did mate, i'm over 40 and a heavy drinker.
Sting with his tantric stuff was an influence on me, but only when i had to give money to Band Aid in 1984. Seems a bit too much like hard work. ;)
Cheers. BB
Sting with his tantric stuff was an influence on me, but only when i had to give money to Band Aid in 1984. Seems a bit too much like hard work. ;)
Cheers. BB
My mate tried VR porn, he got quite into it by all accounts. Unfortunately he lives with his parents, when he took the headset off there was a fresh cup of tea on his bedside cabinet π€£π
I've done maybe 4 hours, I switched up games though and that help you from over dosing in a single game.
I think the longest I've done in one go is about 3-4 hours. The weirdest part of VR for me was when I first got a headset, for about a week I felt like I was in VR all the time. The head-bobbing effect of walking in reality seemed exaggerated.
But all that's faded away now. I can use VR without any adverse effects except maybe a bit of eye strain for a long session.
But all that's faded away now. I can use VR without any adverse effects except maybe a bit of eye strain for a long session.
it seems to me the more immersive the platform the tougher it gets on the body. cheap vr gets on my nerves before i get queezy, a full on setup with peripherals and i feel like its a portal just getting back to irl.
Only1 hour. Played the space station game on occulus for about 10 minutes and felt so sick. Took me a good sleep before i felt better. Very disorientating!
For sim racing I usually use VR and I just don't like flat screen anymore, I'll probably VR for like an hour at a time. when your high and in vr racing, battling with dudes online, it's something to really try.
The last time i scuba dived i projectile vomited an hour after i got out the water. I don't think I want to try it in vr
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"Civilization" set back human health and happiness for thousands of years.
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"Civilization" set back human health and happiness for thousands of years.
Amazing insights from Yale's James Scott.
He talks about the freedom that nomads had but how do we know those folks weren't oppressed by their pack leaders. When you look at animals you see a pretty nasty pecking order and it's beyond surveillance, you're living in small groups with your alpha boss 24-7.
Pack animals don't tend to have a nasty pecking order. Depends what species you are thinking of. With wolves that is definitely not the case.
But we know about hunter gatherer societies through ethnographies conducted from the early C20th to today.
In general they tend to be more egalitarian.
The tyranny comes in because as a member of a hunter gatherer group, you are dependent on being part of the group in order to survive.
So excess babies, disabled people and the very old can no longer be catered for. And if you transgress (eg don't share meat you have found) you might be ostracised.
But we know about hunter gatherer societies through ethnographies conducted from the early C20th to today.
In general they tend to be more egalitarian.
The tyranny comes in because as a member of a hunter gatherer group, you are dependent on being part of the group in order to survive.
So excess babies, disabled people and the very old can no longer be catered for. And if you transgress (eg don't share meat you have found) you might be ostracised.
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Anyone got gelato, zkittles that kinda thing hit me up
i think i remember budex having some zkittles.
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i think i remember budex having some zkittles.
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Hey bud, we've got a fresh batch of zkittlez! thanks!
Have a batch of Blue Gelato 41 curing as we speak.
Will be live on LB within the next 24 hours :)
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Will be live on LB within the next 24 hours :)
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The European postal system works though
seems so much easier in an eu country considering densities i cant imagine how the russians do this
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what if we let the boomers die?
playing along with the existing system doesn't make them the real majority.
what if we let the boomers die?
just playing devil's advocate here literally. and I know there's a zillion boomers right here on lb.
but we are shutting down the planet, this is the largest mutual effort in history. the only thing that compares is oddly enough, war.
in war old leaders decide to send young people to their death, wiping them out and their many potential offspring. yet the old are especially protected. this doesn't make sense in any societal or evolutionary way it just serves the self interest of the old - who happen to be the rulers calling this shot.
now the young are called up again, in history's largest timeout they will lose finances, jobs and sanity as they are terrified into submission to save .0001 of the population, nearly all of who will die from other causes within a few years.
im not really advocating we let anyone die, i am happy to sacrifice for them further than this but lets call this what it is, the story that is always hidden. self interest from the ruling class.
but we are shutting down the planet, this is the largest mutual effort in history. the only thing that compares is oddly enough, war.
in war old leaders decide to send young people to their death, wiping them out and their many potential offspring. yet the old are especially protected. this doesn't make sense in any societal or evolutionary way it just serves the self interest of the old - who happen to be the rulers calling this shot.
now the young are called up again, in history's largest timeout they will lose finances, jobs and sanity as they are terrified into submission to save .0001 of the population, nearly all of who will die from other causes within a few years.
im not really advocating we let anyone die, i am happy to sacrifice for them further than this but lets call this what it is, the story that is always hidden. self interest from the ruling class.
I disagree strongly with the war comparison - that's not an example of a mutual effort, but the opposite: it's an example of large scale confrontation. People were called up to defend/attack from other people. MILLIONS of people died over YEARS.
This is a public health crisis, not a war. And the young haven't been called up, keyworkers, carers and health staff have. When I've been out and about with my family, it's fairly clear that the younger generations are the least bothered by what's going on, and aren't necessarily abiding by the guidelines to any effective degree.
And sadly, I don't think this is even something defined by the self interest of the ruling class. I think it's exposed the current ruling class is about as clueless as it ever had been. Johnson's flabby ensemble of random wankers have never at any point been good leaders. They got there off the back of a dishonest, divisionary Brexit campaign based on some entirely different agenda. They now have absolutely no idea what they're doing.
Hopefully it will serve as a reminder to humanity that if a democracy is to succeed, you can only back honest, able and skilled statesmen. Anyone less means we're fucked if there's any deviation from their intended narrative.
I don't blame anyone in this scenario. It's a collective human failure that it escalated to this scale. What I think matters now is the outlook, vision and ability of the leaders that might rebuild for the future. In 2019, world leadership probably never looked so weak... in the entirety of human history. And in the UK, we've currently got one of the most inept setups. BUT. Look at Starmer circling, look what we need to overcome, look what we want to build.
Give it a year or two and I think HOPE will be a usable word again. The Johnson/Trump/Bullshit breed need to move aside.
This is a public health crisis, not a war. And the young haven't been called up, keyworkers, carers and health staff have. When I've been out and about with my family, it's fairly clear that the younger generations are the least bothered by what's going on, and aren't necessarily abiding by the guidelines to any effective degree.
And sadly, I don't think this is even something defined by the self interest of the ruling class. I think it's exposed the current ruling class is about as clueless as it ever had been. Johnson's flabby ensemble of random wankers have never at any point been good leaders. They got there off the back of a dishonest, divisionary Brexit campaign based on some entirely different agenda. They now have absolutely no idea what they're doing.
Hopefully it will serve as a reminder to humanity that if a democracy is to succeed, you can only back honest, able and skilled statesmen. Anyone less means we're fucked if there's any deviation from their intended narrative.
I don't blame anyone in this scenario. It's a collective human failure that it escalated to this scale. What I think matters now is the outlook, vision and ability of the leaders that might rebuild for the future. In 2019, world leadership probably never looked so weak... in the entirety of human history. And in the UK, we've currently got one of the most inept setups. BUT. Look at Starmer circling, look what we need to overcome, look what we want to build.
Give it a year or two and I think HOPE will be a usable word again. The Johnson/Trump/Bullshit breed need to move aside.
Yes but the fact that people are even looking to politicians in an era of science, free flow of information and consensus building media - why the fuck do we still have the twats?
I know my case is extreme, but its not just old people who need protecting. My son is 2 years old and immunocompromised from chemotherapy. I don't fully believe in the lockdown but it is a bit more assuring for me that it isn't running rampant out there.
You definitely have a point.
The approach of "us-versus-them' is in fact a very European way of dealing with matters.
Indifference to social position, and consequently, acceptance of one's social status no matter what it is, became somehow a doctrine and a duty in the current world (if we are honest to ourselves): it is really the ideal philosophy, an ideological superstructure adequate to peacefully govern our world, conquered with its own consent.
'The old" send "the young" to wars. Because, "the young" (well, all ages really) willingly accept, for example, army duty.
It is only natural, that in current situation, "the young" are contemplating 'retaliation'. :)
I think, the value of a human life became something very insignificant.
Young people wait on the old to die in retirement homes, old are upset with the young, that they show no respect, etc.
A vicious circle.
And we do not really value human life, because we do not understand the concept of self-worth.
Which is nowadays confused with 'pouvoir d'achat', like they say in french (ability to buy). Just look at who the majority of humans are looking up to (movie stars, ufc fighters, etc.)
The thing is, we are never independent or self-made, and we all hopefully will be old one day too. So what connects old and young is gratitude.
No life is more important than another, whether it is an old life or a young one.
And no ideology or state will defend this point at all times, speaking sociologically or/and economically. It is self-damaging to an ideology or a state.
Should we or should we not do this or that? I don't know. Each individual should decide for himself.
I know that generalising (oh those olds, oh those youngs, oh those russians, oh those arabs, oh those french, oh those - would be an insult to my own intelligence.
A boomer is different from another boomer. And i am a survivor and want my children to be survivors too.
I may be never be in a position where i can decide on a broader scale of "should we or should we not".
But i can decide on my personal level and i just value life more than i value my ego.
Here is my humble opinion.
Thank you for being brave and raising this point.
It is important to discuss without fear to offend.
That is what freedom of speech is no?
The approach of "us-versus-them' is in fact a very European way of dealing with matters.
Indifference to social position, and consequently, acceptance of one's social status no matter what it is, became somehow a doctrine and a duty in the current world (if we are honest to ourselves): it is really the ideal philosophy, an ideological superstructure adequate to peacefully govern our world, conquered with its own consent.
'The old" send "the young" to wars. Because, "the young" (well, all ages really) willingly accept, for example, army duty.
It is only natural, that in current situation, "the young" are contemplating 'retaliation'. :)
I think, the value of a human life became something very insignificant.
Young people wait on the old to die in retirement homes, old are upset with the young, that they show no respect, etc.
A vicious circle.
And we do not really value human life, because we do not understand the concept of self-worth.
Which is nowadays confused with 'pouvoir d'achat', like they say in french (ability to buy). Just look at who the majority of humans are looking up to (movie stars, ufc fighters, etc.)
The thing is, we are never independent or self-made, and we all hopefully will be old one day too. So what connects old and young is gratitude.
No life is more important than another, whether it is an old life or a young one.
And no ideology or state will defend this point at all times, speaking sociologically or/and economically. It is self-damaging to an ideology or a state.
Should we or should we not do this or that? I don't know. Each individual should decide for himself.
I know that generalising (oh those olds, oh those youngs, oh those russians, oh those arabs, oh those french, oh those - would be an insult to my own intelligence.
A boomer is different from another boomer. And i am a survivor and want my children to be survivors too.
I may be never be in a position where i can decide on a broader scale of "should we or should we not".
But i can decide on my personal level and i just value life more than i value my ego.
Here is my humble opinion.
Thank you for being brave and raising this point.
It is important to discuss without fear to offend.
That is what freedom of speech is no?
Very thoughtful post (what a pleasure to read this instead of another sycophantic review), thank you for it my bigga.
I'm going to differ on one point. I think the perceived value of life is heading up and pretty much always has.
We are in the midst of the greatest human sacrifice for the least number of lives (in relative terms) ever.
Today's wars kill fewer in total than we lost in a week in WW1 or 2.
Murder rates are way down compared to history.
The financial investment made to squeeze out a few more years is more substantial than even our most recent ancestors could ever imagine.
There's lots more stats like this, they are hard to see when media profits from perceived conflict and makes everything look cataclysmic to get your attention.
I'm going to differ on one point. I think the perceived value of life is heading up and pretty much always has.
We are in the midst of the greatest human sacrifice for the least number of lives (in relative terms) ever.
Today's wars kill fewer in total than we lost in a week in WW1 or 2.
Murder rates are way down compared to history.
The financial investment made to squeeze out a few more years is more substantial than even our most recent ancestors could ever imagine.
There's lots more stats like this, they are hard to see when media profits from perceived conflict and makes everything look cataclysmic to get your attention.
We need more youngsters in politics and less old farts creaming off the state. I think you reach an age when you start to become more selfish and want to accrue wealth. Bills and mortgages start to wear you down. I was definitely more idealistic when younger. We need to be a lot braver with who we allow to run the world and kick out the old guard. the youngsters are going to be paying off our debts for ever unless we change the system. Guy fawkes had the right idea.
I believe I am generation X but I will react anyway. It is an interesting discussion and I understand the thought behind it. The biggest issue I have with your statement is: what makes you think that older generations are not impacted by lock downs or other measures against the virus? Like we are all sipping whisky at our 2nd vacation homes. Your generation or any other is not sacrificing more then any other generation. Much love to you all
Probably fair to say they're not going to pay the bills incurred and they're not having their careers snuffed out before they've begun, they're overwhelmingly locked down in better circumstances than the young.
I'm Gen X and thanking my lucky stars I'm not still in hospitality and shared accommodation.
I'm Gen X and thanking my lucky stars I'm not still in hospitality and shared accommodation.
I'm not old (38) and I very nearly got axed by COVID. I don't have a pre existing condition. It's worth considering that many young or younger people with pre-existing conditions are at high risk, as are the disabled and many mentally ill people. The structures of society also make sure that the poor are disproportionatily affected. So, what you're proposing, hypothetical or not, is a cull on the people in society who most need our support. And, I would add, people who add a huge amount of value to our societies. I am as annoyed by how our 'era' turned out as anyone, but putting boomers to death for the greater good? C'mon. Besides, the ruling class are not all old - they have children, who will inherit. Killing old (rich) people would do nothing for society. Advocating that other (poor) people's parents and grandparents have had their time is basically inhuman, or at least profoundly lacking in empathy.
Glad you are ok bigga and your message is hella important. Can I ask do you think there was a better way to handle this? Are you happy with the whole world shutting down to protect you?
love and respect
love and respect
I don't want my parents to die any more than I want anyone else's, but the quality of life for the young is clearly being sacrificed again for the most protected generation that ever lived.
Kind of irrelevant IMO because as a species we are all doomed anyway, which I'm OK with, but it's shame we're going to take most of the biosphere with us though, as it's really no fault of theirs. We are species out of control and one which is destroying it's environment. The planet will be much better of without us humans stinking up the place!
here's what im thinking, as long as when i'm burned for fuel a billion years from now there's this little bit of thc somehow left there all that time. and it says thanks, yeah, thanks, THANKS.
Interesting read here
It does seem if we were a little more honest about this we might come up with a better solution than locking everyone up.
agree somewhat, the damage to economy is going to kill tens of thousands alone, potentially more than would be lost to Covid, but perhaps not (Not an expert by any means). I invite people to look at how many people died on average each 2010-2015 due to austerity measures and debt. Suicides will go up to.
Im in the self employed bracket its truly shit but i think society will come out of this better on the whole
I am in the same boat and i like your positive outlook.
"Have no fear for atomic energy
'Cause none of them can stop the time" - right?
We should also come out of this with as less damage and casualties as possible.
Been self-employed throughout 3 different continents and over a decade already and self-employed equals survivor to me at this point.
"Have no fear for atomic energy
'Cause none of them can stop the time" - right?
We should also come out of this with as less damage and casualties as possible.
Been self-employed throughout 3 different continents and over a decade already and self-employed equals survivor to me at this point.
What if we just quarantine the old baby boomers and give them priority at hospitals, that way the rest of us can keep the world going and contsruct what they need.
I was self employed hehe
I was in that small percentage who got no help lol and im sure i speak for many...
Unless i change my services...im hoping it blows over soon
Stay safe Vik
I was in that small percentage who got no help lol and im sure i speak for many...
Unless i change my services...im hoping it blows over soon
Stay safe Vik
Me too. My industry was among the first to go, About 2 weeks before lock down got told to stay at home no income... Now im out of a job completely.
It’s fucked up isn’t it, I’m in that small percentage of self employed who ain’t getting jack shit...I’d work tomorrow but not many want people in there houses now
We can only hope that this flys by and we can get back to work
Some sectors have increased in number of available positions, maybe worth looking into those sectors to get some work for the mean time
We can only hope that this flys by and we can get back to work
Some sectors have increased in number of available positions, maybe worth looking into those sectors to get some work for the mean time
This bigga booma had it 9 months ago. I have had my first shot of the vaccine just before xmas. Three weeks ago, we had an outbreak at work... forensic mental health. We kicked the virus' arse.
Not all boomers are bastards.
Disclaimer: if I am a bastard, it has nothing to do with my age. This old goblin girl has always been one. :-)
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Not all boomers are bastards.
Disclaimer: if I am a bastard, it has nothing to do with my age. This old goblin girl has always been one. :-)
Neji
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There are elements that are particularly cruel for young generations that have been caused by the benefits enjoyed by older generations. Retirement / pension age is the first to mind. We all retire later if at all because they fucked the pension pot for those claiming now. Housing and land are impossible to buy at reasonable prices, because the older generation owns it all. Wealth disparity grows with extended lifespans, as the elderly hold onto it instead of spending it. But these issues are not the fault of those older generations, but the governments modus operandi of dealing the better cards in the deck to those who can vote at the time and have money. Who cares about the generations that can't support government agendas right now? No one is the answer, and it has resulted in a shit deal for the young that will only get worse as time goes on.
The chant throughout this has been that you “can’t put a price on life” which is ridiculous because we do it all the time. The NHS will not buy expensive cancer drugs unless they extend life for ‘long enough’, councils won’t spend on accident hot spots until a certain number of deaths have been er...’achieved’?!
The equation is called ‘quality adjusted life years’ and it’s frequently used to decide cost vs life. That sum has now been done for the pandemic (freaky task) and yup, it doesn’t add up. The number of quality life years saved versus those to be lost through unemployment, poverty, undiagnosed health conditions, mental stress etc are insignificant.
We fucked up. But then we’re only human....
The equation is called ‘quality adjusted life years’ and it’s frequently used to decide cost vs life. That sum has now been done for the pandemic (freaky task) and yup, it doesn’t add up. The number of quality life years saved versus those to be lost through unemployment, poverty, undiagnosed health conditions, mental stress etc are insignificant.
We fucked up. But then we’re only human....
as a 51yr old father of 11yr old twins (one boy, one girl), and reflecting on how I have myself matured (lack of!) I can honestly offer an opinion that humans may be physically capable of sexual reproduction early mid/teens, but that doesn't make them adults. Likewise 20s and even early 30s. I was a selfish prat right up to having kids. Having kids completely changes your priorities and outlook, including CONFIRMING that kids are, literally, the future. So you're right about preserving the future for younger generations. BUT if adults don't become adults (really!) until they have kids, and human kids can't look after themselves, and anyway don't mature mentally til they have kids, we come full circle, that is why you need 2 generations minimum at the same time. HTH!
I'm 27 with baby number 2 due next month. My life didn't feel lil it had much meaning before becoming a dad, I cared a lot less about everything. As for Corona it's really not a big risk to a vast majority of the population. Most of the people dying are 80+. When the people who are 80+ were born their life expectancy was like 67. They've done well. I think all lives are equal but not all deaths are tragic.
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Tiny Might vaporizer
can someone please sell this shit on little biggy i dont want to deal with privacy, credit cards or mistrust i just want to hear what my biggaz have t…
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Tiny Might vaporizer
This is a very new device, coming from a small independent manufacturer in Finland. But it's a bit of a game changer. It hits harder than a Mighty, if not as hard as a Flowerpot... and it does so on demand, in an instant. And it has adjustable capacity, so you can load as little or as much as you like. And it's tiny. And it has user-replaceable batteries (so you can carry spares, meaning this is as portable as it gets). Plus it looks prettier than every other mainstream vape device. I cannot recommend it highly enough. Performance is absolutely top-notch, and it's the most attractive and practical vape I've ever owned. It's instantly become my favourite herb vape by some margin.
can someone please sell this shit on little biggy i dont want to deal with privacy, credit cards or mistrust i just want to hear what my biggaz have to say and click.
A handheld will never ever hit as hard as a flower pot, harsher maybe but as hard not possible for many many reasons.
Does it have a restrictive draw? Currently have an Arizer Solo 2 and my one and only complaint is the restrictive draw (I understand why it's like that, but would like it not to be if you know what I mean?)
The restrictive draw is horrendous for me, lovely device it it works for you but after my flowerpot’s free flow I just couldn’t go back to the Solo because of the draw, line milkshake through a straw, but for some it’s it’s biggest draw I guess, just not for me.
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does anyone vape wax?
really, a fun head shop would kick ass
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does anyone vape wax?
was just thinking this might be an alternative to carts especially if portable
thanks biggaz
thanks biggaz
I vape concentrate with a Puffco pro 2, which is also about the size of a standard vape pen. Carts are easier as you don't have to carry your concentrate/loading tools but vaping wax/shatter is a stronger hit.
I have done, and it's really nice. I use a Yocan Plus XL, about the same size as a large vape pen.
There are plenty of mainstream sites that sell such things though. Why not go there? I don't imagine many vendors here get wholesale prices on vaporizers, so you'd only end up paying more.
yeah but i trust what my biggaz have to say about this and im hassling with btc anyway so why not keep it on the dl
i use a flytlab concentrates vape and also a tesla which is very small and fits in your palm.
Daily electro-dabber here. The Puffco Peak even retired my proper torch/nail rig. It's over-priced for what it is, but I've not found anything that works better whilst being relatively faff-free, easy to clean etc. For portability, I found the Puffco pro/plus OK, but not quite powerful enough. I really like the Saionara vaporizers for on-the-move wax vaping... does require a separate ecig/battery (but still works out cheap in total).
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My fellow Americans: How the Fuck Are You Buying BTC?
Cex.io takes cards. They are a very legit exchange.
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My fellow Americans: How the Fuck Are You Buying BTC?
Coinbase no longer takes cards. I can't say I'm going to miss them except I'm not sure where to go?
Use a bank account instead of a card, your options go from shit to shinola. You can even use your coinbase account, basically every exchange loves it.
Bought up 1100 in BTC just two days ago with a card. Have to go theough different verification steps and gain a little trust first.
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Anyone interested in using btc cash or ether here?
Just try again and the fee will change. Coinbase is wicked but they aren't that wicked, the btc network is.
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Anyone interested in using btc cash or ether here?
I am thinking about writing a payment processor that uses one or both of these...
Always interested in using bch and eth; in fact, I get paid in eth; so, I'm VERY interested.
Definitely interested,as bitcoin transaction fees are through the roof right now,I've paid as much as €20 to miners to confirm transactions recently,maybe Litecoin would be another option to consider too,virtually zero transaction fees and extremely fast turnaround times.
Coinbase charged me $31 to send $7. Of course l didn't find that out until after l had tried to send $38, expecting to charged 3.5%. I tried to get a response from them but to no one's surprise, they ignored me. They should be grateful they're located on the left coast and I'm on the east coast. This definitely qualifies as reason to make a personal appearance. Fucking leeches! Before anyone makes a suggestion about trying someone else out, there is no one else that does business in Georgia, at least no one who charges less than 50%. ATMs are also out of the question. The closest one is 150 miles away in Florida.
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its the dude that made the chatbot lawyer that kills your parking tickets, he\s legit
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