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The Royals Should Pay Slavery Reparations
Who among us today:
- stands on the most wealth compounded from past sins?
- are the clearest descendants of those responsible?
- can most afford it?
If there is any credible role for these living vestiges of the past it is to account for it.
- stands on the most wealth compounded from past sins?
- are the clearest descendants of those responsible?
- can most afford it?
If there is any credible role for these living vestiges of the past it is to account for it.
England outlawed slavery in the 19th century and actively fought and stopped those that were in the business of slavery.
Back in the day it wasn't like there was one country enslaving another, it was a world wide business and England stood up to the world to stop it. England has already had it's anti-slavery moment, it took place over a hundred years ago and since then we have been against it.
There were African tribes capturing and selling people to slavers, do you want them to pay as well, and who do you want them to pay?
The Chinese and Persians also took slaves from Africa, they castrated them.
Pulling down statues and washing over history is going to do more to help people to forget that it ever happened, we should leave the statues up and educate people so that we know to never ever let it happen again.
Taking away someone's freedom without reason and trading in people's misery is about as bad as it gets and I repeat, we should never let it happen again. Pulling down statues is another step in the direction of helping people forget that it ever happened and if we can't learn from the past then we are in danger of repeating it.
Back in the day it wasn't like there was one country enslaving another, it was a world wide business and England stood up to the world to stop it. England has already had it's anti-slavery moment, it took place over a hundred years ago and since then we have been against it.
There were African tribes capturing and selling people to slavers, do you want them to pay as well, and who do you want them to pay?
The Chinese and Persians also took slaves from Africa, they castrated them.
Pulling down statues and washing over history is going to do more to help people to forget that it ever happened, we should leave the statues up and educate people so that we know to never ever let it happen again.
Taking away someone's freedom without reason and trading in people's misery is about as bad as it gets and I repeat, we should never let it happen again. Pulling down statues is another step in the direction of helping people forget that it ever happened and if we can't learn from the past then we are in danger of repeating it.
regardless the royals personally owned slaves and here they still are able to pay up for it.
You idiot, lots of people owned slaves, it was kind of a thing.... Let me guess they also need to pay war reparations to the horses of the light brigades descendants? The fact you buy drugs online rather than work on your mental deficiencies is astonishing.
just wondering how does that 2 wrongs make a right routine work out for you? my experience and that of the history of man is that it's toxic as fuck.
and what about the 1.5 million white slaves taken from europe by africans? dont they count?
or was reading real history too complicated for you? clown.
we abolished slavery while african chiefs were putting cages full of slaves on the beaches waiting for profit.
over 2000 british servicement died fighhting slavers while it was still legal in every other country on earth.
more blacks owned slaves than whites did...and over 90% of slaves in africa died before they reached sdale.
but dont let the truth effect your ill informed media driven propaganda.
or was reading real history too complicated for you? clown.
we abolished slavery while african chiefs were putting cages full of slaves on the beaches waiting for profit.
over 2000 british servicement died fighhting slavers while it was still legal in every other country on earth.
more blacks owned slaves than whites did...and over 90% of slaves in africa died before they reached sdale.
but dont let the truth effect your ill informed media driven propaganda.
Hindsight is twenty twenty, as they say. It is, however, useless when we are aimlessly stumbling through the present moment to survive. I liken the experience to growing older and maturing. If we were to atone for every sin we accumulated through childhood, we'd mostly ALL be skint, black, white, yellow, brown, or rainbow-coloured. If you are always looking back over your shoulder, you'll never look forward.
Can we talk about how our king has done more for equality, against slavery and human trafficking than any African monarch.
The fact you can post this and think "ooo take that Britain" just shows what kind of pathetic warped individual you are, I bet you also agree with "from the river to the sea"
This country is a bastion of human rights, fairness and equality and has been longer than any single country on earth. Posting shit like this just demonstrates not everyone SHOULD have the right to be here.
The fact you can post this and think "ooo take that Britain" just shows what kind of pathetic warped individual you are, I bet you also agree with "from the river to the sea"
This country is a bastion of human rights, fairness and equality and has been longer than any single country on earth. Posting shit like this just demonstrates not everyone SHOULD have the right to be here.
I think you are cleverly proving the point that slavery exists today. It all starts with an arbitrarily chosen ruler and ignorant obedience.
Who should they pay reparations to?
The African countries that are still using their own people as slaves?
The African countries that are still using their own people as slaves?
that would exclude all the descendants of slaves since they were taken away from those countries
Why do descendants deserve anything? Would they move back to Africa now? They probably have a better life where they are.
The Romans enslaved most of Europe but you don't see Europeans begging for a handout from Italy. Same with the Vikings and Denmark.
The Romans enslaved most of Europe but you don't see Europeans begging for a handout from Italy. Same with the Vikings and Denmark.
Absolute bollocks. Read your own article. It says "Leaders of the Jesuit Conference of Canada and the United States". Nothing to do with Rome. Just a few North Americans virtue signalling
The continent of Africa circa the trans-atlantic slave trade was inhabited by peoples of various tribes and factions who were engaged in perpetual conflict, over resources but also owing to cultural differences. They would each kidnap rivals and enslave them, offering them to the British in exchange for money or goods. The notion that Europeans simply bopped over and ransacked the place and shackled the natives is not just unfounded, it is preposterous. Excursions to Africa were costly, not just in terms of money and resources but also in men. They were mounted with the intention to obtain slaves through trade as this meant less lives (and gunpowder) were lost in the pursuit of their objective, which was to bring slaves back to the continent.
TL:DR African tribes were complicit in the trans-atlantic slave trade
TL:DR African tribes were complicit in the trans-atlantic slave trade
The royals don’t have bank accounts or given any cash so how it would be the firm who are the slave masters of the royals watch Harry’s speech about it they are only allowed direct material items i suppose they can hand out their TVs and shirts off their backs? Do your research.
Nice idea though. If anything it should be the government but then it’s been so long now it’s like getting paid for someone running over your dog it’s not really the same as it never happening in the first place but smart fascism and racism is bigger than ever. And it always stems from the top down never the other way around.
Nice idea though. If anything it should be the government but then it’s been so long now it’s like getting paid for someone running over your dog it’s not really the same as it never happening in the first place but smart fascism and racism is bigger than ever. And it always stems from the top down never the other way around.
in short their finances are
assets: around 1 billion
income from property: 20 million pounds every year
income from each of our pockets: 80 million pounds every year
reckon they can afford something here and still live it up like they like to.
assets: around 1 billion
income from property: 20 million pounds every year
income from each of our pockets: 80 million pounds every year
reckon they can afford something here and still live it up like they like to.
Last comment on this subject from me;) humans are almost clones of each other. For example to apes are always more genetically different than any two humans and they basically do the same in life due to most being born in to similar situations. So it’s very easy to judge people for their mistakes, when if born in the same situation, we may do very similar things. It’s very easy to say how wrong things were and are from the we have everything we need perspective that we look from nowadays in developed countries anyway. Using others for your own gain is wrong imo but if you were born into the Royal family, ask yourself, how vocal about reparations would you be? Peace
I'd be vocal, at least it would be an alternative to the monotoous life of bullshit I'd otherwise be living.
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It wasn’t wrong then though. Say for example your family got wealthy through shares and that got made illegal in the future. Would you say “oh I can’t believe how immoral my family were” and donate all their money to charity and have em out on the street?
Should Italy pay France for using their land for 300 years and killing half the country back in Roman times? Remember you only have the right to be how you are now because your ancestors killing the previous inhabitants and took their land. Are you looking to make reparations to their ancestors?
What I think is the royals should stop getting money from the people. They are basically bums with the best universal credit deal ever!
Should Italy pay France for using their land for 300 years and killing half the country back in Roman times? Remember you only have the right to be how you are now because your ancestors killing the previous inhabitants and took their land. Are you looking to make reparations to their ancestors?
What I think is the royals should stop getting money from the people. They are basically bums with the best universal credit deal ever!
slavery was always wrong, it was cheap and easy and the other guy was doing it but anyone with a conscience is hard wired to know stealing people in chains and imprisoning them for life isnt ok.
Slavery still exists , it’s just changed name to employee. If you are working, it’s for shareholders benefit,
The means of exchange for employment is money. The means of exchange for slavery is the threat of violence. Most humans can see a big difference in this.
uh yeah i think its a little different if you're getting paid for your work and have a choice of employers. different than being kidnapped or bred into a life of hard labour.
this, what we are forced to live, is not slavery as on a cotton plantation, but it still is slavery. best proof is the "distribution of wealth". its just a different kind of slavery. where we are our own slave-drivers haha. it is essentially feudalism and it is becoming digital more and more.
feudalism is very different to slavery, some of our ancestors had the pluck to get out of it and become tradesmen, artisans, even adventurers. today a lot of people are born into fucked circumstance but many more have education and at least a shot.
a slaves life (if they made the journey which murdered a majority of them) was *nothing* like this.
a slaves life (if they made the journey which murdered a majority of them) was *nothing* like this.
You're not forced to work for someone else. It's your choice and the easy option. There's nothing to stop you starting you own business except gumption and effort.
I won’t write a response because it would take a lot of writing for you to see the similarities. Just ask yourself though. How much of your life is for you? Why did you get sent to school? Can you roam about freely? How many of us are stuck in a job , just so we can pay the bills? Who is benefiting from your consumption? Are you doing what you want to be doing or are you enriching someone else’s life by working hard? What does that sound like? Peace;)
it sounds nothing like moral equivalence, not by orders of magnitude. it also sounds like a response, just a very weak one.
Well I hope you eventually find some level of peace and a way to deal with the reality of life now and our shared history for your future sanity;) take care
Not really. I mean it , truly. Why haven’t I downvoted a single post of yours? Because I feel for your tormented minds
Tribal elders fought and captured other tribe members and sold them to Europeans its still practiced today so go point the finger straight back and ask them
"It wasn’t wrong then though." Cue modern day comparison. You are so uninformed it's actually a bit sad but more proper cringe tbh.
Yes I am the sad one. I’m not the one whining about how wealthy others have been 100’s and thousands of years ago by following the laws of their time. Whining about others is just a deflection from your own faults;) try thinking about what you can do now to make the world a better place, not whining about history. Also now the black people who are descendants of slaves don’t seem to want to go back to live in the country of their genetic heritage, right? I wonder why;)
Who's been whining? Me (no) or some other or every single Black person? And why on earth would some random U.S/U.K Black dude "want to go back to live in the country of their genetic heritage". What planet are you living in? A very white one, I imagine.
Only because my grandparents had to flee out of their country due to they would of been killed . Also stripped of their lands / money and I am not asking for reparations from anyone. Just saying
Right. And so do you want to "go back to live in the country of YOUR genetic heritage"? Or do you think that question doesn't apply bc you're White? I think that's the road you're going down here, isn't it? Assuming it's WWII, there's really no Nazi's left for you to claim reparations from, is there? If your Grandparents are from the middle east, then reparations are for the regime of that time and place whether current or not. BTW I think any Black person claiming reparations is an attention seeking fool, usually found on the end of a megaphone dictating the new world order to a bunch of (majority) white middle class uni students basically out on a day-trip with banners like "white privilege is real" and "eggs are a chickens period!".
You can see through the bullshit w/o being bias. Just saying
You can see through the bullshit w/o being bias. Just saying
Straight out the gate. Chill, Raj, or your banner with all its bullet points of what White Privilege is may get damaged. Simply put, because I'm White, have grown up with Black friends with more advantages and privileges than me. I've lived in council estates all over the UK, some of which I'm the minority. The only ppl that seem to scream white privilege are Americans and UK white middle-upper class angry women, who are without a shadow of a doubt; PRIVILEGED. Same colour as me, but worlds apart. It's that simple. Don't try and tell me I've had more advantages and not used them, w/o knowing the first thing about me - just that I'm white and therefore privileged? Is that the sum of the profiling, Raj?
" just that I'm white and therefore privileged? Is that the sum of the profiling"
Yes. That's what white privilege means.
We don't need to know anything about you, all other things being equal, you're better off than your black neighbour.
Yes. That's what white privilege means.
We don't need to know anything about you, all other things being equal, you're better off than your black neighbour.
"We don't need to know anything about you". Who is "we" on this occasion? Just so I'm on the same page..
Well there's some irony spelled out and still not clicking. Figures. Lovely bit of sanctimony btw, PieBoi. Props.
Sanctimony? Irony?
I'm not making a judgement, I'm explaining what's meant by the term.
White Privilege does not mean the least privileged white person is still better off than every black person, which is what you're railing against.
It means wherever you are and whatever you're doing, a black person in the same position has fewer opportunities than a white person.
A white doctor gets paid more than a black one.
A white police officer has more opportunities for promotion than a black one. That kind of thing.
I'm not making a judgement, I'm explaining what's meant by the term.
White Privilege does not mean the least privileged white person is still better off than every black person, which is what you're railing against.
It means wherever you are and whatever you're doing, a black person in the same position has fewer opportunities than a white person.
A white doctor gets paid more than a black one.
A white police officer has more opportunities for promotion than a black one. That kind of thing.
"I'm not making a judgement". It's the only thing you have done.
"It means wherever you are and whatever you're doing, a black person in the same position has fewer opportunities than a white person."
You sound like the kind of person that really over emphasises the "awwww THANK YOU" whenever you buy anything from a bus ticket to a house off anyone Black.
Your quote is pretty much the banner I mentioned above (when everything you've described is pay disparities within 2 industries that by-and-large have Black top-dogs, just like Obama). Look I'm bored of this I feel like you look like a really angry Velma Dinkley at this point no offence. Bye.
"It means wherever you are and whatever you're doing, a black person in the same position has fewer opportunities than a white person."
You sound like the kind of person that really over emphasises the "awwww THANK YOU" whenever you buy anything from a bus ticket to a house off anyone Black.
Your quote is pretty much the banner I mentioned above (when everything you've described is pay disparities within 2 industries that by-and-large have Black top-dogs, just like Obama). Look I'm bored of this I feel like you look like a really angry Velma Dinkley at this point no offence. Bye.
Haha I’ve been called a lot of things in my life, but never that.
You misunderstood me, I hate this moderation of language as much as you do.
I’d much rather racists are allowed to be as clear as you are, then we all know where we stand.
Peace be upon you.
You misunderstood me, I hate this moderation of language as much as you do.
I’d much rather racists are allowed to be as clear as you are, then we all know where we stand.
Peace be upon you.
"I’d much rather racists/then we know where we stand". I hope you're not including me in that. I'm currently the only white dude in a house of 5 so that's me homeless. But I know my views are of my own. I have a Chinese boss and White people wince when I do a perfect impression of him. That's me. No malice or hate. You raised some valid points and I'm digging my heels in. Props for taking the digs on the chin. Peace.
It's about being honest and checking yourself. I would like to add my thoughts on UK (not US!) white privilege are pretty much summed up here by Kemi Badenoch. It used to be called a "pond" (Atlantic), but since social media breaking borders it hardly feels that anymore. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vf7yX9ESRc
you just said white privilege is real in other classes.
don't doubt you get a pass when class distinctions are bigger than race.
don't doubt you get a pass when class distinctions are bigger than race.
Wow! This reply is literally from weeks ago, and you think I wrote what now? Raj you are so off course, it's like some Jake Paul 4+4=5 conclusion. You've reached new levels of dumb digging for the ever elusive reasons you're not smart enough to be a dentist. Honestly I think it's kinds cool. You should get a podcast and enlighten all your friends. Ciao4now, bud.
fair enough and i would probably feel the same from that perspective but what you are missing is the punitive damages aspect of the liability.
at a time when the world is turning more separatist and fascist it's especially valuable to know that shit like that is held accountable for ever.
at a time when the world is turning more separatist and fascist it's especially valuable to know that shit like that is held accountable for ever.
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