Whenever I hear the words synthetic cannabinoids I think of spice and that scares the hell out of me.

I can imagine it does for alot of people but it's not even comparable to spice. Spice can be made from any old chemicals and THC-O can only be made from hemp or cbd isolate its only considered synthetic due to thc-o not being found naturally

I’m getting some at end of month.
Will do a review.

I understand the reason for the skepticism on a synthetic.
But... the vendor is being as transparent as possible about it.
There's been plenty of d10 vapes and d8 listed on here in the past.
And whilst it's not a product I would be interested in, I don't really see the issue with the listing if there is honesty along with it. It's what makes this place kind of interesting.
Plus, the thread here will be attached to the listing at the bottom and biggas can see this thread for themselves.

The guys upfront about what's for sale, let the punters make up their own mind. Don't understand the negativity?

Exactly there alot of vendors who add d8 into their vapes and don't even tell you or explain that it's an analog of thc too just like thc-o is. Atleast we are 100% transparent about what we sell and what goes into our products that's alot more then you'll get from some. We send all our products of for testing when we change suppliers so we know we are getting what we are paying for and we even encourage our skeptical customers to do the same.

we would rather educate someone then let them make a decision rather then force the sale down their throat and tell them to just try for themselves

But surely we all know this is just a chemical legal loophole to bring cannabis like highs to non legal US States?…and that hardly makes it a good thing right?

Synthetic cannabis is already illegal in the UK…so yeah, I really can’t answer your question as to why anyone would buy this?

depends on your perception i guess, again i get the stigma but someone has to start changing it .everyone has their own needs and wants if it doesnt serve anything to you then dont buy it i guess. its been highly popular amongst my regulars, i make everything as clear as possible about my products its simply up to the individuals to make an informed decision

I too am sceptical of the d8/HHC/thco stuff

So I have tried the first too to see

And spice many yearsago

Not the same, no where near the same

While I understand there are concerns regarding the long term effects of these lesser noids that are now coming to the forefront of things but I appreciate you listing them as they are and sticking your head clearly above the parapet when doing so.

https://adf.org.au/drug-facts/synthetic-cannabinoids/

The main issue her Polly is people are confused over what a synthetic cannabinoid is Vs a naturally occurring noid that is then put through a chemical process to become another naturally occurring lesser cannabinoid

One is obtained from hemp/cannabis and then refined to the end noid , the other is powders mixed up somewhere and introduced to a carrier substance

Okay, let me analyse this statement:

'DOES THIS GET YOU HIGH ?

yes, yes it does. It's effects are very similar to delta 9, but because it binds more tightly to the body’s cannabinoid receptors than the other THC forms, THC-O is more intoxicating than delta 8, delta 10 many people claim they get even higher then when they consume delta 9 distillate.'

So it's distinct from D9, and isn't as strong, despite the apparent difference in binding properties, as only 'many people claim they get even higher than when they consume D9 distilate'. So not a majority, just 'many'. Is this a reason to try out a designer drug which presumably breaks down to an analogue of D9? There seems to be a lot of similar non-standard products on offer in your listings, and I'd be extremely wary about ingesting these personally.

maybe it was a poor choice of wording, we choose to say 'many' as every individual has a different experience when it comes to edibles i don't want people to be saying oh this is weaker when you said its not, just because they have had a bunch of edibles that week and blasted their tolerance. on this site there is every level of stoner so we try to be as educational as we can without causing misinterpretations.

THC-O itself is an analog of THC, your body is what breaks down the chain to THC and your body filters out the 'o' part to put it simply.

we know that this whole side of cannabis currently holds a stigma here in the UK understandably why with our history of spice here but this isn't the same thing. It's booming industry in the states, you can find hhc vapes d8 vapes d10 vapes in most gas stations and vape shops out there.

this goes for all customers if you are unsure about our products we wont force you to buy them message us we will try to help, we try to give as much education as we can but we the most part is on the customers own research and contemplation

Please, don't put it simply as I'm intrigued, and prepared to be proven wrong. I can't find a lot of information online but I'm assuming this is methylation of some analogous THC molecule which may make it occupy the binding site longer and prolong effects?

It's still synthetic though, and I always think of RoboCop 2 with the production of synthetics. I hadn't even thought of spice, as all of those regular users look like smack heads, but promotion of HHC, D8 and D10 makes me concerned about any other listed products.

The promotion of HHC, D8 and D10 means that the vendor isn't trying to disguise the origin or type of cannabinoids they are selling so I'm not really sure why you think that's a red flag

And could you please explain for us lesser mortals why the coa you would walk away from?

Thanks 👍

here is the test results incase you are curious about that

Before I comment further, do you understand what this lab report states, or do you simply have a report from a lab?

im unsure what you mean. we sent our product of for testing and this is the what returned. a certificate of analysis stating the individual cannabinoid values

I mean you don't understand the report. It's predominantly some chemically altered D8 to D8-O, and you don't understand that the certificate states exactly that, and anyone with any smoking and scientific background would look at that and laugh, and then never order.

Caveat Emptor.

you know that you make thc-o by adding acetic anhydride to delta 8 thc right

Oh, I didn't. So it's entirely made from D8? I'd never buy that and would advise anyone with any sense not to either. Synthetic drugs for 1/4 of the price of D9? Yeah, not only am I wary but everyone else should be too. If it's entirely D8, where did that D9-O come from, with 0% D9?

It depends on the starting material. Even hemp has some d9 which will be aceylated to d9 thc-o. If you used high THC buds you’d end up with more d9 thc 0 and trace d8 thc 0. I agree I personally prefer to stick with naturally occurring cannabinoids but there may be certain situations where people can’t for one reason or the other, atleast it’s labelled as what it is so people can make their own choice. I mean the marketing wouldn’t exactly get past the FDA but they are trying lol

when we asked the lab they could only speculate during the distillation process some thc-a might have been present and might have decarbed to d9 during the process

thanks for the input been an interesting conversation

Interesting. I'm always up for discussion, and that often leads to purchases. I'm sure the lab is fully GMP compliant...

So what's it very specifically altered to biologically?

to my understanding thc-o binds differently with the cb1 receptor but the same as d9 for the cb2 receptor, This is because the acetic anhydride version of THC has a higher bioavailability so is absorbed with more pairs then traditional thc creating a stronger effects

Appreciate this. I’ve been looking at these alt-noids lately. The only thing that concerns me is acetic anhydride, a high-inflammable liquid used to make fibers, plastics, pharmaceuticals, dyes, and explosives.

I need to do some more research into this. But I would be wary of inhaling anything made with it. It’s pretty nasty stuff. Ketene gas. Which literally destroys your lungs. Stuff like that.

Can’t see it being particularly harmful if made into edibles though.

This is exactly why we only recommend it for edibles as long term vape exposure can cause irritation of the lungs

It’s definitely something to reiterate as I’ve seen some THCO carts on sale. Not here. But “elsewhere”. You know. Might be tempting. It’s a loophole.

So. Warning. Etc.

Here’s I guess where I’m coming from - and I’ve done some research:

Vaping never was 100% safe. There is evidence to suggest that vaping bud is comparatively safer than smoking it. IE. It’s not carcinogenic. Whereas. Smoking anything. Is.

But it’s trickier to make an educated guess with these new compounds.

I’d educatedly, politely, genuinely and with the utmost respect for the good people of this good place, err on the side of:

Don’t, whatever the fucking fuck you do. Do. Not. Put this acetate shit in a cart and vape blinkers, or whatever it is that these idiots do.

The last thing we need. Is more people in hospital because of cannabis.

You’d be better off vaping spice. Genuinely.

I started vaping nicotine about 15 years ago. Vaping nicotine is not like vaping THC.

But it has given me a keen understanding of what is good to vape. And what’s notsa-good ta’.

Aaand we vaped fuck out of everything. Back in the day. Wild West. Look up “genesis atomiser” on Google.

I apologise for that rabbit hole.

For a start. Nicotine is water based.

So when you vape nicotine. Apart from the food flavourings. Compared to inhaling air. It’s risky. But compared to inhaling carbon-infused smoke. Literally putting your head over a bonfire. And inhaling. It’s by order of magnitude safer to vape nicotine than smoke it.

But. These THC acetate type things? We know how nicotine is extracted. It’s pointless trying to black-market it really. As it’s really cheap to get.

Is the concentrate you are getting, actually, what you are getting?

No-one knows

Vaping on distillate

No-one knows. It’s a risk I took 15 years ago when I started vaping, to give up smoking.

It’s probably meant I’m not dead now.

It’s exactly the same Wild West. And I’m still here.

So it’s all. Absolutely at your own risk. Only. I would suggest that the water-based end product of vaping nicotine is going to fundamentally be easier for the body to absorb than the oil-based nature of THC products.

It’s kind of a fundamental. Prolonged periods of THC oils in the lungs?

No-one knows.

No-one died. 1987.. No-one died.. 1988 .. No-one died.

✌🏻

...1989 there was the incident with the pigeon.

Lest we forget. In 1980. Some. One. Died.

Just get your head around this one, then THCa, which is legal until it is combusted, and then it turns to THC, so in its temperature-controlled state, it is entirely legal as it is under 0.3 ml of THC content.

American Farm hemp loopholes and is also legal in Europe.

Many scientific discoveries about the various cannabinoids have only been recently discovered in the last few years, so our knowledge is gaining an even better understanding of this herb and its wonders!

Did some gummies at 0.5ml, potent stuff.

Welcome to LB guys👋- have a blast!

thanks! looking forward to it

Welcome to LB good luck 💜💚👊🏻

Thank you mate ❤️loving the welcome

Welcome to LB! Good luck with the store 😊

Thank you look forward to your custom

hey mate welcome

Thanks mate check out our first listing it just went live

Hi and welcome
Will you be offering any live resin carts/vapes?

Yes mate by the end of the month- start of next will have a huge selection of full spectrum products

Looking forward to it 🙏

Welcome to LB! Good luck with the store 😊

cheers nfused 👍👍 ... top value promo ... count me in on 100g 😎😎

jus a quick follow up ... 100g cannabiz style ordered, delivered in 2 days 👍👍 ... the hash is excellent for this price, really good strength 😎😎

we have decided to extend this sale for another week to welcome back our tyson 1g distillate vapes back onto the site

2 D9 vapes for 55$ whats not to love

Very impressive branding/packaging! Good work 👌

Can't wait to try these bad boys. The thcp was a game changer!

I don't know how to change a review, but I would like to say dispite there not being much vapour, I should of gave the pens a ten, for how much they get you hammered. Very strong not for first time users.

Wonder how this compares to RealD’s static, if it stands up i’m keen.

220/73 vs 120/90

$20 per gram vs $7.50

I meant in quality, I realise NFUSED option is cheaper. It's tempting but quite an outlay on a punt.

Well on paper the quality is very similar which is why I referred to the micron sizes. Also both static . The price difference is huge and makes me think it’s worth a punt too. The vendor just doesn’t seem to want to give us much info or a cross section picture. It’s a lot of money to drop with little info

are you likely to be in stock of this for a few weeks? I really want one but am just trying to find out as much info as possible.

Is this morrocan? Does it smell like the strain? A pic of one opened up? You say it’s tasty in the description so I assume you have tried it?

Any off site feedback? Any better pictures at all? Thanks

These look fantastic

There is a lot of it on here, I had some of the red seal and it was shit. Not as bad as the shite TGT was pushing last year. You have 100g of it though? That's fucked up yo. Have you sent a sample off to https://www.wedinos.org/sample-testing

Be good to get the actual results

GramazonUK are now selling the exact same fake shite that you mention that TGT were selling - same smell same consistency - same fake shit - straight in the bin.

What kind of results would I get from them ? I was just having a look at some of the sample results on the website and they seemed quite basic.
The chaff is technically cannabis and henna isn't a drug , so the results might come back as cannabis but that doesn't mean it's hash. If it was tested , I'm guessing it might be 1%thc

Thanks. I'll do that tomorrow.

Same with the Red Seal from them. Disgusting - looks and smells like hash but as soon as u smoke it all u get is a dirty taste and a dirty headache

Did anyone notice in the space of 2 years we've gone from having 90% of the listings on here being weed and 10% hash! to nearly 60% hash and 40% weed, little odd isn't it?

especially once you factor in the sheer amount of cannabis required to make hash, it all doesn't really add up!

I haven't had good commercial hash on here in a long long time now to the point i've had to stop buying it as it's fucking destroying my physical and mental health, there is some seriously nasty shit floating about on here but if I go round calling vendors out then i'm just adding myself to even more vendors hitlists and the LB overlords probably already watch me like a hawk since i'm involved in nearly all the controversial topics on here!

we need to be more vigilant about this fake hash though, imo all commercial hash needs to be sent off and tested BEFORE it's listed, more than half of the commercial listed on here is cut with henna or other nasty shit and a few years down the line we're going to start getting the nasty side effects from literally paying to poison ourselves... disgusting!

What you're saying should translate to us biggas getting good quality, low priced, clean commercial hash then since it's more safe to grow now and prices coming down!

why are we getting the exact opposite on here then?

absolute abundance of unsmokeable henna

There’s tons of good quality low cost commercial hash on here. Bought numerous bars from numerous different vendors, never had one I wouldn’t buy again.

thing is, 90% of people on here don't know what good quality is, even the known henna hash on here gets overall 10/10 reviews, most biggas are clueless

i've had henna from 7 different vendors in the past year and had a discussion with each vendor about it

But there's a lot of decent commercial on here too. Maybe it's just a few bad vendors.

Luckily the stuff I got is so bad that there's no point in trying to smoke it. It's ridiculously bad. Like a joke hash.

Not so odd if you remeber the global pandemic and associated lockdowns which hugely favoured UK grown weed and made imported hash impossible to find.

Damn, I got the real pollen 🫡

ejem.. 👀🤓🤐

Has to be Canadian Imports and their legendary Unicorn Piss! They also have them in 1ml CCell Kera carts now - full ceramic - gives off huge clouds and purest flavour of the ‘piss. Clearest disti carts I’ve seen in a long while as well. Beautiful.

Hey mate I have put a link to a long thread discussing vape carts types and vendors on here, hope it helps you decide.

Cheers