Me too, they keep it nice here

"Wireheads are beings who have changed their reward architecture in order to be happy all the time". Sound like any being you know?

i think lb is a good start

amazing piece

Eye opening POV

Well done, no good deed is unpunished with some biggaz but you are surely appreciated.

People only understand what they understand, usually that means themselves.

1st objective? Sounds like there is more coming..

Yes, terrible people understanding themselves wishing to make this a better place for new vendors and biggas. We should hang our heads in shame 🙄.
As you can clearly see a majority of the community that has engaged actually totally agree about the wall. I would say that democracy is probably not on your side here.
Infact, I think only 3 people have had anything negative to say. 2 of those biggas joined in the same month of the same year and were supporting the other's abstract point and had both coincidentally been offline for 3 days at time of writing so, that means 2 people max in my eyes.

liz truss, democracy, post modernism and paranoid accounting. bigga please. this borg announced actually helping and doing something for us. if you care about the topics wall then it should be obvious that contests get lots of attention from the algorithm, they are starting to dominate the wall and presumably bs ones were proliferating. and we are talking about the front page for this site.

what are the choices they have here? they could be lazy and kill all contests (basically the reddit mod move) or even lazier and let the wall be filled with people trying to enter a zero barrier to entry scam.

this is why i gave you the link to the wall bot. if you have some ideas great, but let someone (something?) that's trying to help do their job.

Ad hominem attacks, invalid arguments, building a strawman.
It's clear you have some dog in this fight, I just wish you would be upfront about it and say, "Sorry Biggas, the wall is perfect and not going to get any better"
It should be obvious from the thread, that people think there are better priorities than comps.
The choice i suggested here is that if somebody doesn't sell an item for over a year, the item should disappear from the wall way before this for a more recently listed item.
You are trying to position this as merely a binary choice -"the wall stays as it is, or it is filled with exit scams"
You know as well as I do that the wall can be fixed without making it susceptible to exit scams.
I see you ignored every point about the fact that LB bots paying lip service to change, but rarely actually makes any.
It's true isn't it? That's why it feels pointless to actually message the wallbot.
I echo what Polly says, if the site doesn't want meaningful dialogue about how to improve, then just say so and we won't bother.

It would help if borgs worked with vendors to make contests provably fair instead of just deleting everything.

Everything can be made easier with a bit of dialogue.

100% , but it's quicker to just click delete 😐

It'd be really good if there was a "wall borg" that was as diligent as you say you will be on this subject.
There are vendors items on that wall that have had no reviews in almost 400 days. Given how easy it is for the owners of the site to make anybody they like invisible to the wall, I find this incidence really puzzling. I hope there is no favours involved in that?
On the last reviews of the particular example item I am talking about (there are many more items like this on the wall) 3 of the last visible reviews in the last 5 from over a year ago are saying the item didn't arrive, vendor ignored them and comms were really bad.
Meanwhile, some new vendors wait and wait and wait to get an item on the wall, but never end up there.
I think this is provably unfair, if I'm really honest.
The dominoes are falling in Europe - Czech and Germany are legalising soon. We will be at the hundredth monkey soon.
I love this place, I really do but the reality is that more of these kind of places will pop up as decriminalisation advances through the West, somebody will copycat the idea for a lightnet weed escrow service with a server in a legal country - and at this point it would not be too hard to change a few simple things to improve the model we have here.
I think the site owners really need to listen to the people who use this site and actually implement some changes that people suggest.
A good example was months back when everybody lost loads of money on Truss' and Kwarteng's historical mini budget disaster. Somebody started an initiative and hundreds voted FOR change to currency listing to £'s so we aren't all at the mercy of the exchange rate as well as btc fluctuation. Not a single fuck given by the site owners.
I don't think it will take alot to make this place hard to better.
Regards
E

the wall bot is here.

As I read it “diligence” was the issue, not existence. But thanks for the downvotes anyhow🤷‍♂️

sorry but its one thing to see you consistently talk out of your ass and another to read accusations that come from the same place.

i do understand how tea leaf reading all day can lead to this though, the borgs do not give out a lot of information about how the wall works and the people that don't like outcomes are left to speculate.

on the other hand this seems pretty difficult, maybe impossible, search engines never disclose their algorithm because they don't want manipulation.

borgs have made quite a few posts about how things work. you're a class act polly, (no retributive downvote underscores this ;) ) and you care about this community we all love. its obvious these folks stand on their head to give users a voice and to do things right, there must be a better path for you than this.

I've been a mod on other sites and the thing is an open mic inevitably goes to shit. Idiots dominate because worthwhile folks get turned off so it metastasises. Curtail this and then you're censoring and that starts a shit vibe of its own. There is no such thing as a 100% win and if you think 50 50 is fair then you get increasing polaisation and a nasty mood all of the time. It's gotta be way worse when there is commerce at stake.

This post is a great example, here is a borg setting a very high standard for this community in an unobjectionable way, it's pretty much impossible to find fault with it or question motives but immediately people come in with their own agendas.

Good luck borgs

So, just to be clear, we as the community shouldn't make suggestions for improvement when we see an obvious conflict in priority when it comes to talking about fairness?
I think we all realise the nature of this place means no such thing as 100% win. It's not amazon, but suggesting improvements to the fairness in how the wall works (as well as the contests) doesn't seem to me to be objectively unrealistic in any way.

Of course not but

1 It's hella off topic for this post.
Have you ever seen a standard for contests that doesn't rely on authority? That's more relevant and a lot more interesting than liz truss.

2 How is it a "community priority" that the wonderwall reflect outcomes that an excluded group is going to, by definition, be unsatisfied with? Do you understand that this will *always* be the case and that with an open mic this opinion will always be voiced just like this, with a cabal of the effected very honestly believing they represent a consensus?

In any event I think the item walls is a frustrating place to shop and should be torn down like the one in Berlin, with charming bits left to reflect history :)






2 what exactly is the suggestion

1. It was about fairness. I didn't engage an abstract discussion on post-modernism as a response.
I didn't say that there should be no standards, so in my eyes that's a bit of a strawman. It's OK to point out that some things are fair, but other things aren't right? Both things can be true. To what degree must we stay on topic? Especially as I ask why the diligence on this thing, but not on the wonder wall.

2. That as it may be - it's not really me that the wall issues effect - but i can see it from a mile off personally. It is new vendors and new buyers I feel it is unfair on which I am sure the site owners will hope are making up a significant majority for their own continued prosperity.
My suggestion is that if an item hasn't visibly sold any in 370 days, it probably isn't much in demand and a newbie may fall into this trap by not reading - it should probably disappear before this in place of a more recent listing (just in my opinion)..

if an item hasn't visibly sold any in 370 days, it probably isn't much in demand and a newbie may fall into this trap by not reading - it should probably disappear

bigg up.

You do know there is a Borg for ideas & site innovations don’t you?…(in fact there is a Borg for an awful lot of things). LB constantly invites Biggas to get involved and that’s the point- LB pays lip service to change but rarely makes any despite volume of voice. Why is it wrong to point that out?

I doubt anyone loves LB more than I do but they either want a meaningful dialogue or they don’t. I’m fine with it either way as long as I get to buy my weed😎

Bit weird….

It's funny i only ever see coldspurs cheering on the borgs. they love these cold bots rather then this beautiful community.
all your points are mute when you need to start insulting polly's life choices Polly has always been a wonderful voice for the community rather then you coldspurs spending your life being Nelly negative

Yes, I wish the bots were colder, like the code that runs bitcoin. Open code is what this place needs more than anything else.

this this this

Thanks pal, not quite sure what rattled coldspurs but they clearly needed to get me off their chest😂😉

If one doesn't get at least some in here, I think one is being too nice.
Still, I killed man with kindness and upvoted that link.
Wonder if they find the wall helpful for finding the things they want?
I don't. Still, bookmarking pages is pretty easy.
(Insert generic uplifting remark)
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This is speculative but, I think the site may be in $ for 'legal' reasons. The servers are US based.

I agree that the owner could do better with prioritising changes, top of that list for me is all these fake vapes, or spice vapes that need testing and removing. Maybe even temp banning from the items wall for the vendors, as a deterrent.

If a vape is confirmed fake because the original brand doesn't even manufacture them in the first place, or there's obvious errors like spelling mistakes,.fake QR codes, why aren't they being removed?

i would like a wall filter tested/untested at the very base level

Great sentiments, very well expressed.

Frankly I’m stunned by how much LB gets its Borg knickers in a twist over a few competitions being “demonstrably fair” instead of focusing on those things on the site that are “demonstrably unfair”.

Maybe “proof borg” will be a breath of fresh air 🙏🏽, but not if they are convinced that competitions are a real issue….

Agreed…

Why the sudden fuss over this when there are other more important changes to make. (Which have been mentioned on here for years) Never heard anyone complain about competitions. Lol

I agree with Polly, bigger issues onsite to be looked into than fake giveaways, this is a start, hopefully more positive changes are made soon. 💯

SOTL

Honestly at this point it feels like they make us use $ purely out of spite I can't think of any other possible explanation now, can't just be lazyness when they have time for this sort of thing. Maybe they didn't like us asking so much.

the item writer they are currently building, it lets you set several different currencies.

Well its good to see it hasn't been ignored/forgotton over the years, I'll take back my comments as soon its implemented :)

We randomly select numbers for our giveaways using random.org, we also stream it on YouTube Live for everyone to see. I'm happy that something is being done regarding giveaways / contests, nice one proof borg.

SOTL

The borgs picking the wrong fight,sort your wall out,fix the pricing from usd.i mean you got someone who's contributing to lb with giveaways to biggas and its getting jumped on.Theres more important stuff that needs fixing

Smallest wang wins?🤔

Where can i claim my prize🪱

Nice work borg :)

If the seller is holding the contest and judging how is that fair?

Because it's declared a subjective contest.

The contest runner as judge is the basis of most subjective contests irl (think of tv shows). However in our case the declared winner is run against anti cybil algos that are used elsewhere on lb. We also have the voice of the other participants and the ongoing reputation stakes that drive analysis like this.

thanks, that makes sense

Seemed a bit harsh shutting Pistach latest contest down before even giving them chance to say how the winners would be decided.... I'm not saying that just because I entered btw! but surely if your point is to prove it's fair then you have to actually let the sellers prove it's fair?

You do have to love this. Biggy all involved in contests. People enter. They win. They don’t win. Nobody really cares.

When it comes to a payment system that doesn’t bankrupt everyone.

Silence. You ain’t seen us.

Vendors. Keep doing your competitions. Nobody gives 3 shits even if they are fixed. Nobody is losing.

And if all the drama is someone getting butthurt.

Meh. We’ve been there.

Hello. Can I have some help with my giveaway please?

I want to make sure I'm adhering to the rules.

MM 💚

They have all been for manipulation to gain self promotion and unfair ness in community. - They are all "worked" like politics. Clearly easy to work out the agenda of it all. Yet others got smacked up for less.

Not won many competitions then Andy?…😂😂

SLAYED me

They hunt and kill rogue sasquatch too.

Maybe they just need another fake moon landing

I never understand what a "unit" of ai is? Individuals or a giant collective mastermind? What could even make individuality or uniqueness? It seems the one man one vote premise is way off in the most fundamental sense.

kinds seems like what the little biggy borgs do

in the video he says Facebook & Google are reliant on the loyalty of their clientele, which is exactly why i deleted my Facebook account, but people think they are getting something for nothing, sure you can give Facebook and google all your personal data which is obviously worth money, but hey you can look at someone you went to school with's dinner, good deal right?

Ive done some math and i think i can get it down to 25.

He's just jealous. But potentially correct. There's a great book called 'Our Final Century' by Martin Rees (a respected academic, not a conspiracist of any sort) that makes a very cogent argument for the same outcome. Along the same lines. It's all quite believable. But then again, anyone could have written the same sort of book hundreds of years ago when things looked darker still... and here we are. Smoking weed. Writing to strangers. On the internet. Big up humans! We'll be alright! They're just might not be so many of us one day...

Thanks for the book recommendation- just gone on Amazon and bought a copy!👍

https://sgs.princeton.edu/00000000

Hundreds of years ago this was a fantasy. It's a miracle we're still alive.

the ocean is quite literally on fire so I'm fairly confident in saying global warming is here and not going anywhere but my money is on us destroying ourselves before it punches our ticket.

the more advanced humanity gets the more likely it be becomes we assure our own destruction. we've had a few near misses in regards to nuclear strikes already.

the most likely outcome at the moment is the US votes in another tyrant with a slightly higher iq than trump, starting the final war.

Alternative: We all upload our consciousness onto the "ark" and fire it into space.

Question for me is, how many times has this happened in earth's history?

The article says we need to get the ball rolling in 100 years as shits going to get real anywhere from 1000-10,000 years. I can really only worry about the world my kids and grand kids are going to Inherit. They are going to have to figure it out from there. Plus the current world is anxiety inducing enough for the average person and I can only do so much so I’ll leave it to the egg heads to agree on the next steps to mitigate disaster that far in the future. Who does Hawking think he is anyway, Nostradamus? Now where’s my indica?

100 years too many :/

Dr Dre and Snoop Dogg - Snoop UK live debut.

Crowd was bananas, show was over sold, security got rushed multiple times, police abandoned the area, chaos for hours, fights inside the venue everywhere, open weed and crack smoking, coke sniffing, displays of weaponry, dudes getting properly jacked up for their whole shit right in the crowd inside and outside...I got robbed at knifepoint myself...lost a few quid, kept all my blood lol...

Venue was Brixton Academy, about 90/91 I reckon, whatever year it was that 'The Mirror' put Snoops picture on the front page and called him an evil bastard in the headline lol....think it was to do with him being on bail for murder at the time...

Dre and Snoop opened with 'Deep Cover' in pretty much pitch black....crowd went fucking super nuts...no word of a lie, in the first minute and a half of that song about another half dozen serious fights broke out all over the place, people running through swinging shit like woah....fucking mad shit, dre and snoop only stayed on about 45 minutes as the whole shit was out of control so they pretty much fled...crowd went even fucking nuttier...

Took fucking hours to get out of Brixton, full on road block grid lock chaos madness...

But. That 45 minutes they were on stage was honestly one of the most electrifying things I have ever seen...Dre was already a seasoned performer and Snoop was still a kid and was completely fucking amped up and rocking this huge afro that made him look kind of crazy and he was completely into stoking the fuck out of the crowd which didn't help the situation lol....

I been to a lot of hip hop shows over the years but this was on some other fucking level of mad...

Notable mentions go to KRS One, Cypress Hill and Public Enemy - seen all of them multiple times and they are some of the best live performers around, their shows never disappoint and they know how to move the crowd...

man thanks so much for sharing, I only wish I could have experienced this. I no doubt would have been robbed but alas happy... xD

Dude, I shit a brick lol....yeah...I heard a song years later by Troy Scalpels, call 'It happened' and it's his story of a night out at hip hop club gone wrong and it's got this line;

'I wish I wasn't here, but the hop hop led me, the snare drum fed me, now I'm tripping, on upturned furniture'

...lol...everytime I hear it I think of that night...get the cold chill down the back... oooooh....

awesome read

wow makes me wanna grab a time machine

Damn, that gig sounds intense. Awesome story dude ??
Jealous you got too see All the 90’s golden era on stage..

I been lucky man, seen so many amazing shows, Redman, Keith Murry, Das Efx, The Fugees, Onyx, Public Enemy, KRS, Funkdoobiest, Cypress Hill, half of Wu Tang (lol...)etc etc....pissed I never saw Pac or BIG though....I am biased but the 90s hip hop scene is the golden age for me man...give anything to go back and do it all again....

Has anybody seen ALL of the Wu in one place? I saw them in 2003 and it was only RZA and GZA plus a load of ransoms (and that UK guy they said was part of WTC)

Lol...I had three fucking goes at the Wu and still not seen all of them!...still never seen Inspectah Deck...the most under-rated of team but actually a killer mc...

Yes!!! Really is isn't he! Always loved Meth but have to admit Inspectah Deck is the most natural lyricist of them all

that's a great question

Yo this threads my jam. Who's sparking the blunt!?

My most notable concert. Rock the bells NYC can't remember what year. maybe 2016

Nas headling. DJ Premier and Pete Rock had a live beat battle. Cypress Hill on beforehand fucking smashed it, Mos Def and Talib Kwali are Blakstar before that.. Wu - Tang stage, got to see all the members apart from ODB. Mobb Deep were on their stage too. Lauren Hill played and brought out Pras and Wyclef to do some Fugees tracks. Can't remember who else but there were more.

Blunts, Stunts and Hip Hop man lol...

Daaammmnnn.....would love to have seen a Rock The Bells...they do quite a few of those full on 'mega tours' in the States...The 'Up In Smoke' tour would have been fucking awesome to see... Nas is one I never caught and would love too, Mobb Deep too...that must have been an awesome experience man.

Ha, the Fugees! Man they rock a live show. I actually saw the Fugees before they were big, they were actually playing as support for Das Efx lol!!! And first support at that, at like 9pm, real early, think it was K-Solo and Redman as 2nd support before Das on that one.

Yeah...it was at Subterania in West London, was funny actually....place is all hip hopped out, all carhart hoodies, tims and oversized jeans and bad attitudes lol then the fucking Fugees rock on to the stage and broke out the instruments and you can literally hear the 'what the fucks' all over lol...but shit....they started with Temple and it banged the fuck out the place...

Was very cool being such a small venue, at one point Lauren Hill was literally 4ft from my face on stage when she did that tune with the chorus 'some forget harlem' (I forget the name, very cool song) and I could actually hear her singing straight out her mouth kind of thing, (If that makes sense!?.. But like I could hear it before it hit the mic sort of thing..) and damn...raw, raw talent and soul and well....stunning woman visually you know...fried my weeded brain at the time, I was just like dazed out for 5 minutes, like ahhhhh, damn....lol...Saw her again at a sold out Wembley arena 10 years later...couldn't barely even see her on stage from my pauper seats lol...watched the whole thing on the side monitors...not the same...fuck the fame lol...

Jealous mate

Jay Z at Hammersmith. Warm up act was Lupe Fiasco but Nas made an unannounced appearance as they’d just squashed the beef.

Even my ex was happy as Beyoncé also made an appearance.

Beastie Boys - Wembley Stadium 1999
Supported by the Jungle Bros

Was my first proper Hip-hop gig

However...

Glastonbury the same year (I think). Jurassic 5, The Roots, Everlast and Cypress Hill (pre-beef), Scratchperverts, DOOM, Slum Village, Black Twang (with Rodney P, Skinnyman and some of Mudfam), and I've a vague recollection of seeing either Cash Money or Prodigy but can't be certain.

One hell of a weekend for Hip-hop!!

Blak Twaaaang....the lost album Dettwork South East, fucking classic, copies did change hands back in the day

Fucking Sir Rodney P!! How can I forget... I am off the play 'The Future' LP like now...and the neighbours are about to learn about 'The Nice Up'...

Cypress Hill @ Nokia Theater NYC

Busta rhymes, nas, snoop dogg, jay-z, lil Wayne and skepta.

Busta was the best for hype, crowd was nuts.

Snoop was best for getting high, I was high as a motherfucker.

Nas was raw.

Man some of those lists are insane man.

Went to see Cypress Hill at Barrowlands Glasgow last year and it was immense! Two of my favourite tapes ever Cypress Hill - Cypress Hill and Black Sunday!

Also last year went to the Blastoff Tour Gig which was great fun although a bit commercial with the likes of Shaggy (who was shit haha)

Nelly, Salt N Pepa (They were soo good man! lol), Shaggy, Mya and Blu Cantrell.

Hosted by Fatman Scoop and included exclusive appearances from UK garage stars So Solid members Lisa Maffia and MC Romeo, scene pioneer MC DT and the British duos Oxide & Neutrino, DJ Luck & MC Neat and Sweet Female Attitude.

The best rap show I never made was Tribe Called Quest ?

Eminem @slane castle was fire! ?

Public Enemy at Homelands Festival. It was a greatest hits set and Chuck D killed it.

I've also seen the Wu Tang Clan three times, but not once have I ever seen the full line up.

Only ever been to one, and it wasn't strictly rap. Ice T and his metal group, Body Count, at the Octagon in Sheffield. Must have been around '94 - '95. Loads of white middle-class students going mental to the anti-establishment sentiments of a black dude from LA. It was a good night.

DJ Premier - I've seen him in many cities across the world but the show he made in Paris in 2010 right after Guru's death was legendary. He arrived late but we didn't leave the venue before 4am after screaming "Fuck Solar" for hours. Primo is really a legend

Rock the Bells in Amsterdam, think it was 2009 or 10. What a line-up De La Soul, Pharcyde, Nas, EPMD. Incredible show!

This is very hard.... but Skepta in Dublin 1 year ago... man Shutdown the place. A close second is Joey Badass in Dublin 3 years ago at the Olympia Theatre.... never forget he told this small blonde girl that things were about to get heavy.. so move to the back... she didn't... she got crushed..had to be carried out. Good Times, good times.

Insane Clown Posse put on a crazy show. Tech n9nes first show in London was crazy but I'd say Flatbush Zombies at the Ritznin Manny. Ever felt that floor bounce like that

of everything ive read in this thread i think icp is the act id most like to have seen

Went to see snoop in Manchester years ago and cypress hill was the surprise opening act was amazing, snoop flicked his blunt into the crowd n that thing got attacked people fighting to get it🤣🤣😮‍💨😮‍💨🔥

Mark .Morrison

Return of the GT 👊

De La Soul on the beach down in Newquay, good times!

Eminem stade de france was a madness still not managed to see him in the uk

gotta love how they spend it though

masks were a lot more fun back then

its not like they pick up a check either

it's really hard to imagine what satisfaction they can receive from more money

Tegmark is his mothers birth name which he uses as a pen name. Mr Schapiro is without doubt author of my 2 favorite books. His first book ' Our Mathmatical Universe' is the only book ive ever read twice. Sod global warming for the end of planet earth my money is on 'Death Bubbles'.

very inspiring, found this vid.

Great watch, thanks. I hadn't seen this one b4.

very cool, thanks

interesting, thank you

There seems to be some confusion here, please accept our responsibility and apology for this.

We generally do not take seller terms into account, instead we base resolution on the reputation of each party.