I think its more likely that there was an ancient civilisation that was as advanced as us if not more so.

Its a good shout. I'm open to both sides being alien influenced and developing the skills ourselves...

If they had no outside influences maybe they were just differently advanced to us.. We have gone down the tech route but maybe they had something else..

Whatever that is (accessing or opening parts of the brain/consciousness etc etc) They were able to move, mold, drill and create huge structures 12,000 years plus ago... which still blows our minds troday!

That's exactly how i feel I feel like every once in a while we get advanced civilizations like us and the older ones that has been here before us they watch us and show us the way but let get real if that the case we would have good and evil with it so that my opinion.

uh huh the Primary Amazons

The fact that we didn't even have the technology or understanding 100 years ago to measure some of the precision granite boxes in egypt to the degree of accuracy in which they were built thousands of years ago, just makes it even more laughable that we're still being sold this outdated story of history... but yeah copper chisels and slaves? absolute embarrassment that this is still being taught / believed

i believe the beings that left these structures and artifacts behind and the purpose behind them will always be outside our realm of comprehension

we like to think we're an advanced intelligent species but the reality is so far from that, 99% of the earths population is just unthinking egotistical monkeys gorping at smartphones looking for the next tyrant to ironically venerate! fucking failing species.

In 1676, the Danish astronomer Ole Roemer (1644–1710) became the first person to measure the speed of light.

The co-ordinates of the Great pyramids are
29.9792° N, 31.1342° E

The speed of light in a vacuum is
299 792 458 m / s

I'm calling bs

watch your mouth aliens are very touchy about their age

Bahahaha

Read some of Graham Hancock’s work or furthermore listen to the book of Enoch (the watchers), it’s not for everyone but a fascinating listen all the same. I have also been looking at the Megalithic masonry it’s mind boggling, Puzzle!

Graham Hancock's books are amazing! There are some great vids on YouTube as well!.. Randall Carlson and Dr Robert Schoch are also worth a look as well.

Ancient Aliens has some good bits... and frustrating bits... but more of a fun watch than serious information.. lol.

Also, another good channel to watch on Youtube is Bright Insight: https://www.youtube.com/c/BrightInsight

Me? I like the young ones.

I do have believe in ancient aliens especially in regards to The Pyramids construction.

I do like a bit of conspiracy too... lies buried in a library of History... Or His Story

The Pyramids are very cool!

How today are we still being taught that things like the Sphinx were built by Pharaoh Khufu.. The erosion alone is enough to show its far far older than this plus the fact there isn't one document or hieroglyph to confirm its.. All that comes from some graffiti of his name found on some walls...

But to be fair... I believe kids are still taught that Christopher Columbus Discovered America.lol haha

There is a pod cast with Joe Rogan and Bob Lazar. Bob had mentioned that the craft he was working on was dug out of the ground. Speculating it had been buried for hundreds of thousands of years.

It was a very compelling pod cast.

Early man has been around for over 3 million years. Homosapiens around 300,000 years. And yet the earliest academically accepted signs of structured society is around 9000 years. Calling BS there. I believe the reset button was hit on society during the Dryas period (series of meteors that caused cataclysmic events) around 13,000 years ago. If we want to find many of the old cities we would have to look under water.

As for what tech could move blocks of stone weighing 80 tons up a mountain, I believe the answer lies in acoustic levitation. Many of the stories passed down by tribes talk of noises akin to large trumpets lifting stones. It's believed the Tibetan monks still retain this ability. In my opinion N. Tesla had also discovered the secrets of acoustics.

Not even got to the aliens bits yet. Apologies if this reads garbled, I'm writing it with covid and trying to articulate many thoughts at once.

Also I believe the Sahara has a lot of things waiting to be excavated as well as the oceans 👍

Totally agree with you there. That was fertile grassland a few thousand years ago.

My view is to look up and watch “ ancient aliens debunked “

https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/ancient-aliens-debunked/

It makes great imaginative materials for people who don’t know any better.

That includes me by the way;)

Thought I'd add my own two cents into this.
I respect everyone's own view and opinions on the matter just wanted to make that clear.
I watched a debunk documentary by two men named Michael Hieser and Chis White and it truly blew my mind. It's extremely interesting, factual and I would recommend watching the whole thing. If anyone wants to watch it here's the link:
https://youtu.be/eeO3wm2y2zI

Hope every one is doing well in these trying times also!

I really don't know. I've watched documentaries on the theory but haven't made my mind up. I love hearing about alternative views though so I'm going to try Joe Rogan's podcasts mentioned in the conversation. It's kind of fun presenting theories like that to people you know are staunch nonbelievers. I like the reactions you get. I guess I'm open minded about that kind of thing until I get a first hand experience that confirms or denies it.

Well theres been ancient humans so why not lol

I'm sure if I was some ancient alien leaving buildings on some other planet I'd be back to check on them. What's the reasoning for these aliens just leaving little hints around the place?

I think the simplest answer is most likely the truth, there wasn't any aliens. People built stuff that looks odd because people are odd.

Ha ha. ' People built stuff that looks odd because people are odd.'

Ancient people didnt just build odd stuff, they built intricately designed structures with mathematical precision

This is what make me think there was never aliens but a previous global civilisation that were more technologically advanced than the history books tell us. The evidence they left behind is to real.

Maybe we are devolving as a species

We aren’t devolving, that would mean our genome is going back in time;). We are just evolving to a less intelligent, less independent state of being;)

Unfortunately because of the system

Maybe they were just really good at maths paired with having a real sense of pride and discipline in their work😂😂, our advancements have brought us technology but their advancements gave them skill and intellect , plenty of ancient Greek mathematicians, who's to say the Egyptians didn't do it better ? 😂

Merry Christmas 2023 all !!

It just made me laugh the way this comment was phrased.

lol

The evidence is everywhere. See the religious texts and reference to ships of light, fairy folklore Etc All the same phenomena but through different lenses in my opinion. Look for the books by Jacques Vallee. Unacknowledged on Netflix is worth a watch too.

You're taking text from 3000 years ago, and using that as your "evidence."

What about the bible, that must all be true too?

Agreed the bible is not something to take literally.lol. but we need to learn to read in between the lines. Try to put yourself back thousands of years ago.. how would we describe a flying saucer (if it happened) without knowing such things or materials existed... Giant bird in the sky? etc..

I'm not religious at all... but what i found interesting is most religions/cultures describe a great flood happening around the same time, which we now have physical evidence for.. So yes, we cannot rely on all the ancient text, but who knows.. some of it may have some interesting clues...

I believe something has had to have happened.. Either we have been given all this knowledge by an external source... or there were very advanced civilzations in a part of history that has been forgotten or hidden...

To put into perspective Gobekli Tepe is dated as far back as 12000 years ago yet people were only supposed to still be hunter gathers at this time.. (strange)
Also, Cleopatra was closer to the invention of the iphone than the building of that site..... Mad when you think about it.. so what we classify as ancient e.g. Romans etc. might not be as old as we think!!

The main problem is that non of us was there.lol. So I cant say for sure either way if it was Aliens or not... All I know is that its mystery and i love getting baked and watching vids on it. hahaha

I agree Sam I’m fully on the same wave length with this stuff

Yess

Okay perhaps the term ‘evidence’ is too strong when referring to old texts. just offering my opinion on this phenomena which may or may not be ‘aliens’.

Check out the recent videos released by the US Navy I.e. tic tac and Gimbal. Also the many reports with multiple credible witnesses.

Party pooper time, apologies in advance haha - there is no evidence for any ancient aliens or any ancient advanced/unknown civilisation. Not a single person with relevant qualifications believes so. Graham Hancock is a (really bad) journalist and snake oil salesman, real anthropology is more interesting than any of this fictional nonsense. Merry Christmas 😊.

Bah humbug lol 😉💚

To say Graham Hancock is snake oil salesman though is a bit over the top. IMO lol.. 😜

Is he right, who knows lol. But What’s wrong with talking about possible reasons for things that haven’t been figured out yet.. e.g. who made these things, how were they made and why? Especially when we have no idea ourselves how these certain things came to be..

Also, I think it’s healthy to have such discussions, instead of being told that’s the way things are and don’t ask questions.. when we actually have no idea..

Goblekli Tepe is a good start for evidence of a lost civilisation.. Before it was discovered and properly dated, we thought there were nothing but hunter gathers around at that time… We were told these people lived a very simple life with no means or evidence of being able to create such things.. yet here they are..

To say so confidently that there was no other ancient civilisation is an educated guess but… Who knows! Especially after discovering the major cataclysmic event 12000 odd years ago which flooded and destroyed a lot of the planet (for a long ass time!)

There are a number of places, structures and pottery which we would struggle to make today, even with the use of modern tech.., so there has to be something we are missing…

Also, to say we know everything already though just shows how arrogant the human race has become… Things change with time and new evidence comes to light over the years… so why not be open minded about things.. 🤷‍♂️

https://youtu.be/QzFMDS6dkWU?si=sI1f3Dce-0qR0aTm

If any one is interested I would recommend checking out uncharted x (link above to one of his vids) His channel has some great in depth looks at all these crazy stone/granite blocks and the insane precision or mind baffling moulding that went on.

It’s a fun discussion man, and a really cool idea. Believe me I’m a want to believer haha.

Göbekli Tepe is super interesting, but it is essentially just an arrangement of carved stones right? Aye the arrangement might be celestial in nature and it’s really cool, and there was a little bit of settlement, but that doesn’t scream advanced civilisation to me. These guys had a lot of time on their hands to watch the sky and learn how to work stone. What you’d want to see is cities, human remains, advanced tools and weapons. The same goes for the pyramids and stone henge, there are no real mysteries here I’m afraid. How these structures were built is pretty well understood other than a couple of relatively minor elements of the building process (like the upper ramp system for the great pyramid for example). For some reason people keep buying the ancient mystery ticket, and frauds like Hancock milk it. His catchphrase is “things keep getting older”, and he’s right, it’s super interesting. That’s where the hard facts end and the twisted ones begin. Check out the MANY debunking videos on the yootubes.

It might seem harmless but it undermines the actual science man, to me the truth is better than fiction. If this shit interests you, check out what’s going on with Homo Naledi atm, way cooler than any “what ifs?” Imo.

I’m a big JRE fan btw haha, I want to like these theories but I just can’t. I think it’s almost entirely woowoo.

It is a fun discussion buddy and it’s nice to be able to chat about all theories and beliefs! No matter which side you fall on 🙂

That’s right Göbekli Tepe is made up of many stone megaliths weighing up to 50 tons and 16ft high! But this is just a small proportion of the site. LIDAR has discovered multiple much larger version surrounding it, which would be amazing to look at! And make it a giant site!! But sadly it’s not allowed to be excavated..

Some of these giant megaliths also have 3D like sculptures of animals protruding from them. The crazy thing is they aren’t stuck on.. rather carved from the actual megalith. Which in its self is a great feat of knowledge and skill! Especially with the tools available at the time and the very limited knowledge these hunter gathers had on stone masonry.. So who made and moved all these of many many stones?

Has the pyramid mystery been figured out? To be able to move (from far distances) and hoist 100 plus ton support blocks is crazy! Let alone the rest of the build lol. If a ramp was used it would have to of been miles n miles n miles nmiles long lol. Or the way they say the stone blocks were cut for example. That method has been tested and it took them days I think to just get X amount of millimetres deep!

I don’t think Egyptians said anything about them building them either. No writings or descriptions in any way have been found except some graffiti.. which I believe was found crudely etched into it the walls which had King Khufu s name.

Also it would of taken a crazy crazy amount of slaves.. but where are all the tools and waste etc that they would of left behind.. don’t think it’s been found…

There was never any kings or queens discovered there either (even though it’s called the kings chamber etc)

There are a few other mysteries in Egypt like the giant granite sarcophagus’s. They somehow managed to get them deep underground, make them perfectly smooth and symmetrical weighing tens of tons! Mind blowing.🤯

Or the granite or solid hard stone vases I linked in my last post. These have been tested in a lab using lasers to measure them and they are almost perfect in every way! Which at the time would of been impossible to do due to strength of the stone and the tools available wouldn’t of been able to be that accurate or smooth..

There are also giant statues etc where the feet alone are bigger than a human, or giant obelisks… or even potential machining marks!

Could keep going but I’m boring myself right now lol. Plus I find it hard to write long form after too much Christmas food n drink 😂

Thanks for posting those links 👍 will check them out as always open to new theories I’ve not discovered yet 👊💚

Yo man, hope you had a good Christmas.

Yeah I share your enthusiasm for this stuff for sure, we clearly have a common interest and it’s cool that we can discuss it in a friendly way.

It’ll probably not shock you to find out that I’m not an archaeologist or a structural engineer haha. But, there are many videos etc made by archaeologists and structural engineers explaining exactly how the pyramids were built, it’s just that Hancock and Co conveniently ignore them. They’re out there for you to look at man, no mysteries (or very few). Same goes for the writings about the pyramids, I think there are quite a few and they (at least once) referred to the great pyramid as the “Horizon of Khufu”, which is pretty cool imo. Again, I’ve never heard Hancock and Co reference these examples.

On Gobekli Tepe, I did not mean to downplay its importance to real anthropology/archeology. It definitely pushes the envelope back a bit, and many real anthropologists think the envelope will be pushed back further. But we’re not talking about some truly breathtaking advances here. They could clearly work stone and clearly had a strong enough community for such a structure to be built or even wanted in the first place. It clearly had significance to them and was added to over centuries etc etc. None of this was expected given the age of the site, which is exciting. A semi nomadic group or groups of hunter gatherers could work stone pretty well and form core belief structures and shit, that’s cool af as it is! What more could be discovered at that site? What other sites are there out there? Genuinely exciting shit. But we don’t need Hancock and his fantastical ramblings in order to understand it all bro.

Who do you really trust? The completely unqualified journalist (sociology degree, close-ish but no cigar), who has written as much self proclaimed fiction as he has “non-fiction”, who completely misrepresents the evidence and directly ignores anything he doesn’t like. Or, the centuries old network of experts and educational institutions dedicated to the study of ancient civilisations, made up of thousands of free thinking individuals who’d all love to reveal the scoop of the century and rake in the big bucks?

Yo dude. Had. A lovely one thanks hope you did too 💚

Any theory on how the pyramids were built are just that… a theory. We have nothing to go from except educated guesses. But these guesses still don’t explain how they raised 100 plus ton blocks as supporting megaliths, how they managed to get blocks or megaliths to join with not even a millimetre gap (which you can’t even fit a piece of paper in) or mould SOLID granite megaliths into curves, create vases so accurately symmetrical that the only way to do this now is using tech, those giant granite sarcophagus, etc etc etc..

With Gobekli tepe they are now having to re write history.. Before this discovery we thought hunter gathers had no idea how to do such things… but we still have no evidence they could.. The animal sculptures haven’t been properly explained, and saying oh, well, they must of been more advanced than we thought then.. still doesn’t explain anything..

Whether it’s aliens, lost cultures or something else… I have no idea…😂 but what we do know is there are mysteries out there that have not been solved! And there are gaps,, and just saying they could have just done it like this etc without testing such things is just a guess.

Would love to see modern people using only the tools provided back then create these things again.. (look how far they got with trying to cut the stone using old methods)

Also other mainstream geologist are coming out and saying that due to weathering a lot of these places are far older than we ever thought.. 🤯

I’m open to all ideas as non of it can be completely proved.. but to say we know confidently how all this is done IMO isn’t correct.

👊

Downvoted! Gutted haha. Believe me, I don’t like being the skeptic type guy. But it’s hard not to be when you start taking an interest in real life archeology/anthropology.

This is long but well worth a watch, Stefan Milo goes through each episode of Hancock’s Netflix show and explains why he’s wrong in a really nice, non-patronising way. You could watch it, but YouTube has a downvote button too so you could always just do that haha.

https://youtu.be/341Lv8JLLV4?si=o4Tkp5AUG8SD-32D

I love Stefan Milo, he's knowledgeable and also humble admitting where he might lack knowledge or is guessing

Mate 100% agree, he’s the man.

Erich von Däniken is a legend.

sans meat bag we are the ancient aliens methinks

Infinite universe= infinite possibilities… can’t rule it out mate?
Also like SMorgan said likely we were way more advanced back then than the ‘take with a pinch of salt’txt books would like us to believe! All that knuckle dragging cave man crap🥸🤭

Any show that has 16 seasons must be true.
Not a true believer, but learned a lot from the show.

Best hair in the game!!! 😆

On this kind of topic, does anyone else listen to Jim Harold's Paranormal Podcast?

It seems plausible with the stuff that they show on tv, although is that the stuff I was blazing making it out to be??

Its under the ice.

The evidence has been left all around the world. For what ever reasons it is not taught in schools. Why is that? Hmmmm...

Look at this for an example of evidence ....

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2884299454934060&id=182073298490036

Thats just some YouTube video showing some mayan stuff with some creepy music in the background...that is not evidence.

Aliens 👽 are real, here and present they have been around on planet earth for centuries although they haven’t disclosed themselves to the masses… they are beings with souls just like us… I met two white aliens in a lucid dream it was surreal. They said nothing but we’re friendly and made me tea 😂😂

As with aliens in general, it's not impossible and is most likely true but nobody has presented any good evidence so far

How did they build the great pyramid in 20 years.

Yeah and they came from nibiru and then they shagged monkeys to make hybrids that brings us to the present day. You are welcome. Lol.