Thanks for this TFG, really useful 👊🏻
The B+'s really seem to work for me in an unexpected way so always glad to see them on the menu 🙌🏻

See You Soon💜💚

Honestly one of my favourites.
A cube is a cube they say but for some reason B+ always hits different

I thought you were dead!..obviously not really dead, but twice I looked and couldn't see you on the items wall. SO happy you are alive. Your b+'S are THE BEST!!!! most bliss I've ever felt in my life.
Thank you for this excellent read! I'll be stopping by soon, yeah! 💥💥💥💥👾

Hello beautiful,

Alive & Well, Happy New Years.
Thanks for reading and commenting missed ya girl. Look forward to providing soon 🍄🎉

TFG

Before trying higher doses try sitting with the medicine in a proper ceremonial setting. I’ve had experienced users have their minds blown on just 2g.

Set & setting before dosage really makes a difference. 3.5g is a nice place especially if tripping with others. 5g plus. Room to yourself no music and pull the blinds and curtains the shrooms will do the rest.

So your dosing fits in with what I experienced when I did 1.6g of a shroom chocolate bar back in July. Link to my experience above.

I'm currently microdosing with Stamets' Stack 0.25g of shrooms, 0.7g Lions Mane, and 0.1g Niacin. My question is integration of tripping into this regime: how do I do that, and when? Tripping is fun, and I don't want to dilute the experience, and I think, unfortunately, I did that over Christmas. Had 10g of fresh truffles on 23/12 and that was so lovely and gentle, and pleasantly psychologically warming. So, with that in mind I did 3 drops of just under 10mcg of LSD on Christmas Day. Wasn't enough. Did 5 drops more. The experience was nice, but nowhere near a mild trip which is what I'd have expected from that dose. I put it down to the close timeframe? It was still very nice and similar to the truffles, but not to that level. I've been holding off since then doing anything other than microdoses as I don't want to waste that 2.4g of the chocolate bar that's still in the fridge.

Hi there MightyRux

Thank you for commenting and sharing. It's fantastic to see you have utilised shrooms with microdosing and having fun learning about your self & body on these wonderful new meds.
I have been consuming mushrooms and the like for 20 years, when to take and how much becomes kinda intuitive but I'm still learning about how best to apply for myself and particularly others as we are all different. I believe us astronauts have to pay attention to tolerance levels/spacing/timings but also noticing how we are constantly changing and evolving along our journey, it's why it's important to take regular breaks to let your system clear and return to base level. This allows you to asses yourself at base level and get the most from the next trip that you plan. This applies to microdosing too, you should allow your system to clear before a trip.
I always recommend keeping a journal as it's easy to forget details later, really useful for reference and great fun to look back on.
Side note: I prefer mushrooms as they are organic and it takes a few days max to leave your system clear, where as LSD can be stored.

I hope this information has helped you and wish you all the fun and success along your journey.

Gratitude and Respect TFG

Have a good 5 day tolerance break before a macro.

Thank you for writing that up! All super helpful info, couldn’t agree more with the dosing numbers too!

I’m sure this will be very helpful guide to a lot of biggaz 😊

A valuable customer testimony and diary....

As it was my first time getting consuming psilocybin I was very careful with the doses and of course did my research before hand, I wanted to take a logical approach to ingesting the drug and decided to record if I was feeling anything along with the time, heres the diary anyway.. enjoy ;

"magic mushroom Diary"

11:00- ate 2 stems, feeling relaxed.

11:13- I can feel my mood has been lifted somewhat? Hard to explain, also my tinnitus is more audible..

11:19- Noticing light sensitivity, as I move my head it feels light and 'airy' also, my thoughts have become somewhat clearer.

11:33 - feeling relaxed

12:26 - Feeling relaxed, I took another little head of a shroom.

13:35- Felling relaxed after a nap, creative thinking was easier than ever, mental images come to me with less resistance. Maybe I should try these before writing music or story boarding.

13:38 - Ate 2 more stems, one with a head of a small head of a shroom.

13:59- I'm not feeling anything 'trippy' just relaxed still.

[Sidenote, at this point I was comfortable taking a bigger dosage as I wanted to experience what it was to have a 'trip']

14:09- I just ate 2 big heads and 2 small stems, and I'm going to the park to get some fresh air.

start of trip----

14:38- Walked to sainsburys for lunch, as soon as the cool air inside the shop hit me, i started to feel it. and thought "oh shit, here we go" hahaha, I bought my items at a cashier and I trying to keep a straight face ( I found it difficult not to smile)

14:44- I sat down on a park bench, overlooking the rose gardens, put in my airpods in and music sounded 'sweeter' and the colors of the world around me started to become more vibrant and rich. My muscles felt loose and my joints felt like they were well oiled. I can notice a slight dryness under my tounge and at the back of my throat. I also noticed my breathing was sooooo easy and i was taking in these big lungs of fresh air. Also started to feel giggly, I can recall a woman walking past me and i almost burst out laughing, which under normal circumstance would have been very strange but it felt so natural.

14:50 - halucinations, I glanced at the floor and it was fucking melting, the small rocks and stones that made up the path below me were individually moving. Crazy. I decide to walk back home so if anything does happen to me I'd at least be in a safe environment. (at this point I was getting anxiety , but managed to handle it quite well)

[Sidenote #2 these quotes are taken directly from the diary, I was in an altered state at this point.]

15:58 - "how am i feeling? BLISSSS I like the feeling of EVERYTHING"

"man or woman is a construct"

"Feeling sooooooooooooo relaxed

"things are easier to focus on, who am i reporting to?"

"I'm reporting to my sober self - WHO WANTS CONTROL"

"Who wants to use you/drugs as a tool for his idea of success"

[sidenote#3 alot of squiggles and doodles are on this page]

"Things taste SOOOO GOOOD"

"It's easy to fall into repetitive patterns"

"you don't fall into it though"

"my hand writing is SICK"

"Everything's got a purpose, DON'T MINE IT FOR YOUR OWN RESOURCE"

"Don't mine every experience like its a resource"

"You have a relationship with work"

"everything sober seems so stupid"

"every construct is purpose built for trust"

-----end of trip----

17:35 - mellowing out now, i can feel my sobriety taking back control.

Overall, it was an eye opening experience, I saw fractals , I saw static objects move, when i went to play guitar i saw the vibrations form from the strings into the air. My sense of identity melted away, ideas of societal norms and construct seemed so trivial and for once in my life i didn't have a care in the world about work or money. I just wanted to experience love. I discovered why I was so sarcastic around people, why I disrespected my environment, It was because I was dismissive of myself and my wants and needs. It now feels as if a second version of me had for once taken the main stage which was my creative and emotional sense of self.Where my cold and logical ego had taken the ropes for so long I would unknowingly suppress my emotions for the benefit of trying to be productive. I now understand that to truly life this life of mine I need to incorporate both my emotional and logical sense of self.

This is going to forever change my perception of life. and i can't wait to start sharing it with others. I'm going to start recommending this drug to others as an alternative medicine.

Thankyou for taking the time to grow these truly magical plants, it deeply disturbs me that these plants are recognized as a class A drug in the legal system. But it makes sense I suppose, that government such as our own wouldn't want people to really start not only questioning but feeling the reality they live in!

A valuable customer testimony....

Yes, when I was inside my head on the grass. I was gonna around the staircase inside my brain and I could hear/feel/see the "noise" created by the alcohol and antidepressants inside there.

Yeah I thought that next time I would go for a heroes dose without anything else because I did feel like I had some kind of control still and wouldn't fully surrender to it but I do feel like I could definitely purge/reset myself properly if I go back in and try and get inside my head straight away.

Yeah the dying bit didn't feel scary, it felt just like it was supposed to happen, like that was the plan all along and I'd be pulled into the light if I could just rotate one more time and push the button on crown of my head but stopped myself doing it when confronted with the thought of my kids seeing my dead body there.

Almost like it wasn't a mind reset button, but actually a life reset button, that and that was actually what everybody has been searching for.

Although I was aching a bit the day after The contortions and crab walking etc seem to have realigned my spine as my posture seems better since.

Even before things went dark, I felt more alive than I have in years. I now feel more positive and have a bit more clarity.
I think maybe the most profound thing I've felt is the spiritual side of things, feeling the light etc. but it does feel like I've got more work to do with the mushrooms.but will wait a while before doing it because ai don't think I've fully processed Saturdays events yet

Yeah, man, feel free to post it, I can definitely see how the shrooms can help people with untreatable depression/no energy/life force etc so if my words could help then that would be awesome

The first message...

Yeah sure, well I had originally intended to take them on Sunday whilst 'sober" and try to meditate through alot of the experience and try and cast out my demons/reset my depressed brain.

When I finished work on Saturday, I went upstairs, got changed and had a bong hit, I then went and sat in the garden with my wife who had made a jug of Sangria so I sat had a couple of glasses of that.

I think I then had some of this Blueberry Gin she'd bought and we then decided we'd go for a walk round the corner where we have this hilly green area. I thought to.my self "you know what, before we go, I'm gonna have a couple of small shrooms to see what happens" Literally just had a stem and the smallest head there was and probably another smoke whilst I was at it.

I chewed them and didn't mind the taste so basically treated like a chewing gum and eventually swallowed.

We went on this walk and immediately I could feel a difference even a short time after swallowing the shrooms. Obvs I was already a little bit wavey from the other stuff but the shrooms definitely changed things somewhat. I felt more "alive" I suppose, giggly and colours seemed vibrant. We were only.out for about 30mins so I don't suppose my stomaches would have processed then but I could already feel more of a difference than off the Teas before.

Anyway I felt amazing and when I got back I poured myself another drink, went to have another smoke, I saw the shrooms and had "just couple of more bits, but I'll try them with some fresh lime because Ii had read about "lemon tekking"

So I did that and actually get enjoyed them. I hadn't actually eaten anything since about 11am and by now it was about 6pm so they were actually pretty nice like that and I feel the acidity from the lime broke them down quicker and could potentially have released some extra shroom juices? The shrooms did provide almost a slight popping candy sensation like this!?

Anyway, I went and chilled. I do normally drink on Saturdays and smoke weed everyday as previously mentioned but even just that small amount of shrooms was changing things and I loved it.

Anyway, I decided to then just eat the whole bag....... So I just kept popping them into my mouth then sucking on Lime slices like you would after a Tequila, chewed them and ate them all one after another.

The next 4 hours up until 11ish I was just enjoying watching films or on my phone I ate some Chicken in the meantime .
I think may have had 1 more bong hit but didn't fancy much more alcohol after eating so think I just had 1 more alcoholic drink, my mind felt less pressured and I was getting visuals when I closed my eyes but I was distracted by my phone/wife etc. so probably wasn't fully appreciating the full effects.

Anyway, when she went to bed at 11ish. I stayed up and put these "watch this on shrooms" YouTube videos and tbf they did actually start to make my brain tingle all over and send me into a bit of a trance so I tried to meditate but I couldn't concentrate properly. I needed to eat and masturbate.... So after I felt the origin of the cereal I was eating and witnessing my semen crawling around. I decided to go outside for a bit and breathe some fresh air and that's when thing got really weird.....

So after sitting down breathing for a bit, I felt compelled to do some yoga, ( which I haven't done in a couple of years.)

I was strecthing up as far as I could but started to feel like I was gonna pass out so I collapsed onto the ground and kind of pit myself into an on my knees prayer position with my forehead on the grass because I felt.that maybe the connection with the earth could heal my head.

I was there in that position meditating and holding my breathe etc. It felt like something was either something leaving/going into my third eye area and my body was shaking.

I felt like I was completely inside my.head and as I rolled it from side to side.on the grass, it felt like it was healing me.

But then, my whole body started contorting, and twisting in strange positions, that I've never done before and I spent ages twisting myself in awkward positiins on the grass doing forward/backward rolls etc all this whilst completely in a meditative/now trance like state. I felt like I was chasing down something inside my head and I needed to heal every single part of it and do a headstand to "push the button" on the crown on my head. (There's no way I can do a headstand btw ) so I was doing crab positions and rolling around

Then the ground started to feel as if it was guiding to me in a certain position with with ear/temple pressed to.it but I had to be in a certain position. Infell.like I had found something inside my head/under the ground I I was saying I've found it, I can see it, this is it , in a strange and demon like tone. A bit like anthe Gollum of LOTR
It felt like I had found in like the meaning of life if only I could get to it. but then I as I was twisting on the floor, going around the spiral staircase of my head, vertically inclining my body with each twist, it felt like my legs were being lifted into the air could see moments of my life flashing before my eyes and ai thought I was going to die. It seemed like it was my destiny and it was the whole reason I had moved to this place/actually dreamed about this exact spot.in the garden in the past. That this was my final resting place. I didn't fell scared about it but as my life was unfolding before my eyes I kept saying I need to do it, I need to do it, that I must surrender to it, feeling that the mind reset button on the top of my head, would actually be either enlightenment/death and that was okay either way, but I needed to press that button to get the knowledge because it was life's reset button, Android the connection with the universe that everybody has been chasing? The holy grail?

All of a sudden I started thinking about my kids and how upset they would be here to find me here in the resting place, so I felt like I could not surrender and let go and almost snapped out of it immediately so I don't know think I did actually "finish' the trip and it kind of feels like I need to.know more and without the weed and booze but for sure it was a spiritual experience. It literally felt.like I was being pulled towards the light.

By the time I went to bed lt was 3:45 am and time had flown by but I must have spent at least the last 2:5 hours rolling round on the floor.

To.be honest I dunno if it felt.like.an exorcism or a possession for a bit with all the contortions but I wasn't scared.
I don't really know what to interpret from it all but I woke up the nest day feeling great, more alive than I have for a while.
I'm not expecting a miracle cure or anything but it was definitely enough to show.me.that it certainly could be possible.to "cure" someental health issues /reinvogorate my depressed brain so I'll give it another go again soon

Last one for those who want a review on a day on a micordose....

https://youtu.be/CgaoX2CG29A

Soooo..... How do I know how much mushrooms to take?

The right dosage depends on your tolerance and the kind of effects you want...

You can go from mild beneficial effects to strong psychoactive effects fairly quickly, so make sure you’re mindful of how much you use.

This is a commonly used dosing guide that you will get if you search the question.

Threshold = 0.25g
Light = 0.25g-1g
Common = 1g-2.5g
Strong = 2.5g-5g
Heavy = 5g+

Which is a good guide, but what dose... it mean? Let me explain...

One application of Magic Mushrooms is in the form of Microdosing. This involves taking a very small dose of less than a gram to get some of the mental benefits of psilocybin without any strong psychoactive effects.

Microdosing has become super popular, with everyone from Joe Rogan to Russell Brand talking about it frequently on their podcasts. To explore these as a supplement please click the link below.

https://littlebiggy.org/link/bWIhRD

I make my own variation of Paul Stamets PHD recipe which has various benefits including greater creativity, focus and clarity.

If you want to play with higher microdosing levels, you should measure out between 0.4-0.8grams.

These caps are perfect for this application...

Now to TheFunGuy Levels of dosing....

For newbies this level is all about testing your limits and logging experiences. Consuming new psychoactive drugs is certainly exciting and for some a little scary. That's why it's sensible if you want to enjoy the shroom experience and it's benefits, to go at your own pace.

Mild effects start from the 1g mark for most people, depending on your tolerance which is what we are going to find out eventually but if you are unsure start here.

I would recommend a dose of 1.5g-2g, for anyone who is rediscovering shrooms or a confident newb. This is where you’ll start to experience mild hallucinations as well as stronger psychedelic effects. The effects are definitely noticeable but manageable.

The range is so large because everyone is different. For some, the 1.5 grams will be enough everytime. Others, at 3 grams, they feel like they're just getting going.

2g-3.5 grams is a good amount to get you proper wavey and should give you the classic psychedelic trip, if this is what you're looking for. This amount for lots of people is the limit at the very least will give you deep introspective thoughts, heighten senses, appreciation and compassion like a child. For others hold on tight you’ll experience intense hallucinations and a warped sense of reality. These effects can be overwhelming for beginners and it’s best to only experiment with this dose when you’re in a safe environment with a trusted friend.

Again if you are new to this start small and work your way up...

Try a small dose. How do you feel?

Do you feel afraid? Are you okay even though you feel afraid?

Do you feel more alive?

Do you see the world more clearly?

Do you feel more "yourself"?

Terrance McKenna famously named the last stage "The Heroic Dose" Or "The Hero's Journey" which is anything above 3.5grams.

Those who are experienced with psychedelics may want to go slightly higher.... WARNING.... at this dose, you’ll experience powerful hallucinations and may lose touch with reality, you are also much more likely to have a bad trip...

On the plus side this is the dosage where you go on a journey into the soul, eternity, the cosmos and potentially the multiverse...

Wherever you go, the experience is lifechanging and unforgettable....

Volunteers at Johns Hopkins University were asked to rank the importance of their psilocybin trip, 90% of them said it was one of the 5 most important experiences of their entire lives.

If you're going to go the distance and shoot for the heroic dose, be aware the experience can sometimes go the other way so it's best to have someone you feel safe with to be there with you.

If you message me with your experienc, height & weight I can give you a more accurate scale of dose and what will be expected with each increment.

TheFunGuy

Another wonderful testimony from one of my customers...

Being a bud veteran but a newbie to shrooms I recently went on only my 3rd trip and whilst coming out of my lucid state I jotted down what I had experienced.

This was it, verbatim
"Swirling clouds of green and blue
When I thought of the self, it was a crystal of blue, with a mist that emanated to carry the hue
A radiant white light reaching endlessly up. I didn't touch it, I was content where I was.
A random pulsating sensation through the mind, zhyoom, zhyoom, accompanied by noises akin to the tightening of metal against metal, which made the eardrums vibrate and wince ever so slightly.
The warmest, safe feeling deep within the chest. No pain, no fear, no stress.
This was bliss
I lay and basked, eyelids blanketing the eyes, keeping the world out for a while longer. Knowing when I opened them, it would be over.
Eyes flicker open, the moment gone, but not forgotten. The imprint of those waves, shape my mind. Forever closer to the me I strive to be"

Im starting to feel like I'm treading into the footsteps of pioneers like Terence McKenna, whom I hadn't even heard of until recently. I don't know where this journey will take me. But I am excited by the prospect.

On a side note, the changes within are immense. I feel happy, I've regained focus and creativity. I also feel like I have begun to process feelings suppressed so long I thought I'd forgotten them.

My partner has commented on the changes. She doesn't know I have been talking these, but said just this morning "have you started taking some new wonderdrug I don't know about? You seem happy and smiley recently and more present".

Thank you to you for growing and providing the world with these things that society really should not be deprived of any longer.

Very useful and interesting- thanks for taking the time to make these posts FG…👍😘

You should try these - best ive found in UK for time all Reddits all over it.

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30-odd years ago (before shrooms were commonly cultivated), mushroom season was always eagerly anticipated: Dale would take his camper off to Wales and return in time for Guy Fawkes night, with bin bags full of our fungi-friends.

GF night was the big one, because there would be a funfair and fireworks display in the town's biggest park. Imagine a dozen or so of us, whoopin' & hollerin' like kids on the rides, before standing in rapt silence, heads pointed skywards, in jaw-dropped silence (apart from the occasional "wow" or "whoa"), as we gaped at the multi-coloured, 3D display...

I think it was '86 that there was a big storm, which brought many trees down and closed the parks, so the venue was moved to the outskirts of town.

The usual fun was had but after the show, the buses were rammed, so we decided to walk back into town. We bumbled and giggled our way along until we came across a pub and decided to break our journey.

Despite being called The Haven, the pub was far from safe, being one of those estate pubs with a bit of a rep that the police left alone, as long as the pub left the police alone: shaved heads, bulging muscles and a brooding atmosphere that could turn nasty at the hint of a spilled pint or looking the wrong way at someone's "bird".

We burst through the doors tripping our bollocks off and after a brief, stunned silence the place erupted: "What do you look like?" etc (pirate-style headscarves were big that year) from the home team and much blinking at the bright lights and hostile attention from the visitors.

Now exactly what happened is little hazy, but broadly speaking we powered through on the crest of a trippy wave: Sean put something rowdy on the jukebox, Dale threw a load of his mushroom money behind the bar and just like that, it was a party.

Whether it was Matt the Yank's transatlantic charm, "boy who climbs trees" oddball antics or the sheer amount of cleavage the Dockside Posse girls had on display, that won them over I couldn't say, but there were more hugs than knuckles in the Haven that night, which is what's important, right?

And my part in the proceedings? Well, I alternated between spending far to long looking at the carpet (as the pattern pulsed and breathed with me) and getting hot flushes which convinced me I'd wet myself. That was until I walked outside and announced to no-one in particular that I was going to die and promptly passed-out.

Cheers!

I bollocked my right hand for 45 minutes because it looked and I quote “cocky”. It’s behaved itself since.

🙈 forgot to mention that the competition closes on the Sunday 14th April so that the winners have plenty of time to recieve winnings, thank you God bless 🙌

Thanks for the first couple of participatants to this trail offer I hope that more follow to experience that extra you need to succeeded.

Regards TFG

I don't see free options is this a old post

I m interested because antidepressants aren't really helping me. And I have experienced in psilocybin liberty cap which brought me out of depression, but it's been years since I've taking them and the depression and anxiety are back big time and want to get better

Because I'm disc natural alternatives to ssrs

Hey friend

Thanks for the question, the micro potency wouldn't drop off over the space of a year. We advise to only buy 6months ahead to be safe, with the products I buy in aswell as supply to the mixture!

TFG

Welcome back!

Thank you, appreciation and gratitude

So glad my friend!

thats what the dispute button is for

Hi mate,

I just put in another order for the Treasure Coast Cubensis. I tried the 4g start dose, last Friday night and I loved it.

I had never taken Mushrooms before but I had done some heavy LSD trips when I was younger.

I liked that the trip wasn’t as long as LSD, I ended up taking the mushrooms in a smoothie around 7:30, I had heavy visuals around 9-10pm, the enhancement of the pink and green colours were very stark, by 12:30 am is was starting to wear off for me, so a nice little hit of weed and I happily slept the rest of the night and I was fresh the next day.

It’s great stuff.

I’m thinking about trying out the microdose course.

Order placed, look forward as shrooms been so helpful over last few years, helps mood in many ways, for me connects me back to self and nature, love being out in the country with shrooms so helpful. helps with meditation and helps being in my heart and not in racing head, Do just micro-dose so not to intense and is very healing
Thank you FunGuy for supplying this special medicine :)

I'm so happy to be providing the medication thanks for sharing your experiences friend...

I would strongly encourage anyone who feels they have lost their connection with nature or maybe yourself to explore these natural remedies.

Regards TheFunGuy

Just ordered, looking forward to it :)

Sold! ill be ordering this week

Great and that will be an extra gram don't forget to remind me when you have placed your order JIMBEEM

TFG

Looking forward to ordering soon!

Great friend me too when you do there will be an extra gram in there for the comment make sure you remind me when you place your order.

Regards TFG

Hey there everyone,

thanks for the orders so far... With so much of October left don't forget to share the code and get your orders in to receive upto 50% free!

Regards TheFunGuy

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I ate some magics and truffles with m8 a long time ago and it was amazing,we went into the garden which the path to it was overgrown and it felt like we wer hiking through a forest,when we got to the garden it was bliss,the sun was shining through the trees and it felt like paradise,we had music playing and a bong and lots of weed,we sat for an hour i think and went to go back inside to try sum television and i cudnt hack it,it was the weakest link on tv and the faces wer really fucked up and i realised how fucked i was and had to retreat to the garden as it was very peaceful 😎

Did i win the free prize sir?😎

What a lovely offer to run! Here’s some terrible anxiety jokes to get over the january blues and spread some cheer 🥶😂💙

So my mexican uncle’s back on the anxiety meds again…
They’re for Hispanic attacks

Found out I suffer from separation anxiety today…
My mrs just left me and I’m terrified she’ll be back

Here’s one for the cruder folk too…
Do you know what anxiety, ballsacks, and tits all have in common?…
They all really grow on you after puberty hits

Jerky 🤤🤤🤤

Now that could be advenutre! I struggle to begin with how you'd infuse it. The rub maybe?

Any edible that lasts a long time is a good one for sure.

100%! Working on finding the best mixture of concentrates.

A hard boiled sweet with a long shelf life, 50mg dose is ideal for me

Favourite Hard Boiled? Mint Humbugs sort of thing?

Yeah just classic hard boiled sweets. Mints, pear drops that kind of thing.
I’ve had issues with some gummies get a little gooey when left somewhere warm.
Also it’d be nice if they were individually wrapped and made with Rso for that full entourage effect

I am setting a goal to do it.

I want something that has the same effect as the Mr Moxie mints that I can get in the US. Seems like mostly sativa but doesn’t wig me out as much as a pure sativa tincture does

Interesting, I'll have to look into these.