he thinks they will be as easy to fool as humans

Any truly smart AI would self-destruct as soon as it realised what is up and where it was born...

Not in our lifetime.

hang in there, we are going to need all the remaining humans we can muster

Computers defeated by CAPTCHA. I think you can rest easy for the time you'll be on this planet

i don't think thats where he is at, it's more a case of if you cant beat them join them with neural link

It's an interesting, terrifying, emotional, exciting, and crazy fucking time to live.

its a boiling frog kind of takeover not a terminator kind. it started as soon as we began using machines and it still accelerates.

We are much more "intelligent" than any AI, the main "problem" with humans are firstly the emotions and secondly the way we use our brain, we use it logically instead an AI uses it mechanically.

If any AI with self awareness will be ever made, if they will have emotions like we know, that AI will be a smart foolish like an human being.

lots of people will want an ai to act as a human for all sorts of things. these algos will learn to emulate emotions and eventually have them as part of their fabric.

Thus making them humans but with a non organic body.

Anyway, AI is dumb today, really dumb, just dig a little bit into machine learning and you'll discover that most probably we will not live to see a "cyborg"

thus post human

Ai will come in via devices you carry or wear, like fit watches and phone texts...phone tells you to get a vaccine... if you do, AI wins...your watch tells you your heartbeat is too fast so the doc gives you statins...Ai wins...turn the shit off...we win.
its that simple.
but we all saw the sheep during the fake pandemic....vaccine has literally had its definition changed by Cambridge ( not the oxford one) it doesnt vaccinate you but they all took it...masks never worked but they all wore em...70% will jump at the chance to be told what to do...the rest of us will ignore it.

Waiting for the White Knight like this is great for the long run but it doesn’t change what everyone has to face right now.

There's an old solution for monopoly suppliers, Cooperatives. If a monopoly is owned by its users then the whole conflict between greed and utility just disappears. Cooperatives been around for farming since before my grandfather’s time I don’t know exactly how long but they were used to buy big tools and grain elevators that every farmer could share.

I buy my groceries from a co-op, much, much better products than the chain supermarket and good prices.

Yes if you organise you get some of the power of the cooperative just by virtue of having done it. I would think this is the best solution, to actually start the cooperative and keep an open ear to the monopolist, seeing if things can be settled at the earliest possible stage.

If the users organize a boycott it can force the monopolist into better behavior. Though it can be kind of ugly and tends to leave a bitter taste for both sides. A theatrical action before this could be a petition or media generation on social networks.

I don't think there is much here for criminal law these are all accidents. Torts are where the action is going to be, if you sue and advanced AI will they wind up working for you as restitution like indentured servants?

Fuck I just got a vision of Robot Lawyer.

The insurer.

You would think it would be the elite and programmer themselves (think of IRobot) to blame for unleashing the image of the beast. They wont take responsibility though for they are mobsters and will cover their tracks heavily, the AI will be more superior than us and could piratically be a jack of all trades from lawyer to a schizophrenic gangster with an agenda and ever progressive and evolving "psychology" that seems reasonable to others for it's actions. That's how the greatest villains are supported, for they delve into the hearts of men and women tripping them up with an invisible snare. Exactly like how the luke warm fall for the zionist agenda for they have not understanding and lean upon other minds to think for them. Peace sounds good, but ones mans peace is another mans disharmony.

And the Award for Most Awkward Segway into Nazi Propoganda goes to..

zionism and judaism are two different things. Don't get it wrong. Zionism and no better than Nazism

at least it wasnt space lizards this time lol, one of my pals is jewish, he dont got time for his own shit let alone running the world.

I disagree strongly with the war comparison - that's not an example of a mutual effort, but the opposite: it's an example of large scale confrontation. People were called up to defend/attack from other people. MILLIONS of people died over YEARS.

This is a public health crisis, not a war. And the young haven't been called up, keyworkers, carers and health staff have. When I've been out and about with my family, it's fairly clear that the younger generations are the least bothered by what's going on, and aren't necessarily abiding by the guidelines to any effective degree.

And sadly, I don't think this is even something defined by the self interest of the ruling class. I think it's exposed the current ruling class is about as clueless as it ever had been. Johnson's flabby ensemble of random wankers have never at any point been good leaders. They got there off the back of a dishonest, divisionary Brexit campaign based on some entirely different agenda. They now have absolutely no idea what they're doing.

Hopefully it will serve as a reminder to humanity that if a democracy is to succeed, you can only back honest, able and skilled statesmen. Anyone less means we're fucked if there's any deviation from their intended narrative.

I don't blame anyone in this scenario. It's a collective human failure that it escalated to this scale. What I think matters now is the outlook, vision and ability of the leaders that might rebuild for the future. In 2019, world leadership probably never looked so weak... in the entirety of human history. And in the UK, we've currently got one of the most inept setups. BUT. Look at Starmer circling, look what we need to overcome, look what we want to build.

Give it a year or two and I think HOPE will be a usable word again. The Johnson/Trump/Bullshit breed need to move aside.

Yes but the fact that people are even looking to politicians in an era of science, free flow of information and consensus building media - why the fuck do we still have the twats?

THIS!

I know my case is extreme, but its not just old people who need protecting. My son is 2 years old and immunocompromised from chemotherapy. I don't fully believe in the lockdown but it is a bit more assuring for me that it isn't running rampant out there.

all the best to your son and thanks for your perspective

You definitely have a point.

The approach of "us-versus-them' is in fact a very European way of dealing with matters.

Indifference to social position, and consequently, acceptance of one's social status no matter what it is, became somehow a doctrine and a duty in the current world (if we are honest to ourselves): it is really the ideal philosophy, an ideological superstructure adequate to peacefully govern our world, conquered with its own consent.

'The old" send "the young" to wars. Because, "the young" (well, all ages really) willingly accept, for example, army duty.
It is only natural, that in current situation, "the young" are contemplating 'retaliation'. :)

I think, the value of a human life became something very insignificant.
Young people wait on the old to die in retirement homes, old are upset with the young, that they show no respect, etc.

A vicious circle.

And we do not really value human life, because we do not understand the concept of self-worth.
Which is nowadays confused with 'pouvoir d'achat', like they say in french (ability to buy). Just look at who the majority of humans are looking up to (movie stars, ufc fighters, etc.)

The thing is, we are never independent or self-made, and we all hopefully will be old one day too. So what connects old and young is gratitude.

No life is more important than another, whether it is an old life or a young one.
And no ideology or state will defend this point at all times, speaking sociologically or/and economically. It is self-damaging to an ideology or a state.

Should we or should we not do this or that? I don't know. Each individual should decide for himself.
I know that generalising (oh those olds, oh those youngs, oh those russians, oh those arabs, oh those french, oh those - would be an insult to my own intelligence.

A boomer is different from another boomer. And i am a survivor and want my children to be survivors too.

I may be never be in a position where i can decide on a broader scale of "should we or should we not".
But i can decide on my personal level and i just value life more than i value my ego.

Here is my humble opinion.

Thank you for being brave and raising this point.
It is important to discuss without fear to offend.
That is what freedom of speech is no?

Very thoughtful post (what a pleasure to read this instead of another sycophantic review), thank you for it my bigga.

I'm going to differ on one point. I think the perceived value of life is heading up and pretty much always has.

We are in the midst of the greatest human sacrifice for the least number of lives (in relative terms) ever.

Today's wars kill fewer in total than we lost in a week in WW1 or 2.

Murder rates are way down compared to history.

The financial investment made to squeeze out a few more years is more substantial than even our most recent ancestors could ever imagine.

There's lots more stats like this, they are hard to see when media profits from perceived conflict and makes everything look cataclysmic to get your attention.

Took the words right outa my mouth ;)

We need more youngsters in politics and less old farts creaming off the state. I think you reach an age when you start to become more selfish and want to accrue wealth. Bills and mortgages start to wear you down. I was definitely more idealistic when younger. We need to be a lot braver with who we allow to run the world and kick out the old guard. the youngsters are going to be paying off our debts for ever unless we change the system. Guy fawkes had the right idea.

I believe I am generation X but I will react anyway. It is an interesting discussion and I understand the thought behind it. The biggest issue I have with your statement is: what makes you think that older generations are not impacted by lock downs or other measures against the virus? Like we are all sipping whisky at our 2nd vacation homes. Your generation or any other is not sacrificing more then any other generation. Much love to you all

really i believe im the buzzcocks

Believe it, at least the buzz part.

I'm not old (38) and I very nearly got axed by COVID. I don't have a pre existing condition. It's worth considering that many young or younger people with pre-existing conditions are at high risk, as are the disabled and many mentally ill people. The structures of society also make sure that the poor are disproportionatily affected. So, what you're proposing, hypothetical or not, is a cull on the people in society who most need our support. And, I would add, people who add a huge amount of value to our societies. I am as annoyed by how our 'era' turned out as anyone, but putting boomers to death for the greater good? C'mon. Besides, the ruling class are not all old - they have children, who will inherit. Killing old (rich) people would do nothing for society. Advocating that other (poor) people's parents and grandparents have had their time is basically inhuman, or at least profoundly lacking in empathy.

Glad you are ok bigga and your message is hella important. Can I ask do you think there was a better way to handle this? Are you happy with the whole world shutting down to protect you?

love and respect

"happy" ??? what an awful, miscalculated question.

I don't want my parents to die any more than I want anyone else's, but the quality of life for the young is clearly being sacrificed again for the most protected generation that ever lived.

they're going to love the carousel

Logan's Run will always get an upvote from this bigga.

Great film......must watch it again soon

love this film :) I'm getting to a stage that I almost agree with it :)

Kind of irrelevant IMO because as a species we are all doomed anyway, which I'm OK with, but it's shame we're going to take most of the biosphere with us though, as it's really no fault of theirs. We are species out of control and one which is destroying it's environment. The planet will be much better of without us humans stinking up the place!

here's what im thinking, as long as when i'm burned for fuel a billion years from now there's this little bit of thc somehow left there all that time. and it says thanks, yeah, thanks, THANKS.

You'll have to send out the nurse on the Segway and take my teeth away!

Interesting read here

It is an interesting read. A prospective.

But, I believe what i see and I see a lot of tragedy.

It does seem if we were a little more honest about this we might come up with a better solution than locking everyone up.

Bingo!

agree somewhat, the damage to economy is going to kill tens of thousands alone, potentially more than would be lost to Covid, but perhaps not (Not an expert by any means). I invite people to look at how many people died on average each 2010-2015 due to austerity measures and debt. Suicides will go up to.

Im in the self employed bracket its truly shit but i think society will come out of this better on the whole

I am in the same boat and i like your positive outlook.

"Have no fear for atomic energy
'Cause none of them can stop the time" - right?

We should also come out of this with as less damage and casualties as possible.

Been self-employed throughout 3 different continents and over a decade already and self-employed equals survivor to me at this point.

What if we just quarantine the old baby boomers and give them priority at hospitals, that way the rest of us can keep the world going and contsruct what they need.

Places should be open to people that are tested or recovered.

I’m out of job

I am sorry to read that.
Is being self-employed an option?

I was self employed hehe

I was in that small percentage who got no help lol and im sure i speak for many...

Unless i change my services...im hoping it blows over soon

Stay safe Vik

I see.

My family at the moment is throwing punches at the state mechanisms of supporting struggling businesses - we apparently fall into a category of self-employed families with children.

It's been already more than a month of letters' skirmish haha

Nightmare i know...

Im terrible with all that stuff it stresses me out

I need a secretary lol

Me too.
But i try to think of stress like of sore muscles after a workout. Eventually you surpass it and get used to it.

Sexretary is a good idea!

sorry for the typo. - secretary

I dont know man its easier to ignore it all hahahaha

Me too. My industry was among the first to go, About 2 weeks before lock down got told to stay at home no income... Now im out of a job completely.

It’s fucked up isn’t it, I’m in that small percentage of self employed who ain’t getting jack shit...I’d work tomorrow but not many want people in there houses now

We can only hope that this flys by and we can get back to work

Some sectors have increased in number of available positions, maybe worth looking into those sectors to get some work for the mean time

It is survival time at the moment. I like your attitude.

Im taking it as a holiday atm :)

Holiday - strategising and regrouping time!

Yes but dont give away the game plan lol

So sorry, fella. I hope something comes along soon.

This bigga booma had it 9 months ago. I have had my first shot of the vaccine just before xmas. Three weeks ago, we had an outbreak at work... forensic mental health. We kicked the virus' arse.

Not all boomers are bastards.

Disclaimer: if I am a bastard, it has nothing to do with my age. This old goblin girl has always been one. :-)

Neji
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the boomers are the majority of voters i think so isnt it also a democratic move?

playing along with the existing system doesn't make them the real majority.

There are elements that are particularly cruel for young generations that have been caused by the benefits enjoyed by older generations. Retirement / pension age is the first to mind. We all retire later if at all because they fucked the pension pot for those claiming now. Housing and land are impossible to buy at reasonable prices, because the older generation owns it all. Wealth disparity grows with extended lifespans, as the elderly hold onto it instead of spending it. But these issues are not the fault of those older generations, but the governments modus operandi of dealing the better cards in the deck to those who can vote at the time and have money. Who cares about the generations that can't support government agendas right now? No one is the answer, and it has resulted in a shit deal for the young that will only get worse as time goes on.

The chant throughout this has been that you “can’t put a price on life” which is ridiculous because we do it all the time. The NHS will not buy expensive cancer drugs unless they extend life for ‘long enough’, councils won’t spend on accident hot spots until a certain number of deaths have been er...’achieved’?!
The equation is called ‘quality adjusted life years’ and it’s frequently used to decide cost vs life. That sum has now been done for the pandemic (freaky task) and yup, it doesn’t add up. The number of quality life years saved versus those to be lost through unemployment, poverty, undiagnosed health conditions, mental stress etc are insignificant.
We fucked up. But then we’re only human....

as a 51yr old father of 11yr old twins (one boy, one girl), and reflecting on how I have myself matured (lack of!) I can honestly offer an opinion that humans may be physically capable of sexual reproduction early mid/teens, but that doesn't make them adults. Likewise 20s and even early 30s. I was a selfish prat right up to having kids. Having kids completely changes your priorities and outlook, including CONFIRMING that kids are, literally, the future. So you're right about preserving the future for younger generations. BUT if adults don't become adults (really!) until they have kids, and human kids can't look after themselves, and anyway don't mature mentally til they have kids, we come full circle, that is why you need 2 generations minimum at the same time. HTH!

I'm 27 with baby number 2 due next month. My life didn't feel lil it had much meaning before becoming a dad, I cared a lot less about everything. As for Corona it's really not a big risk to a vast majority of the population. Most of the people dying are 80+. When the people who are 80+ were born their life expectancy was like 67. They've done well. I think all lives are equal but not all deaths are tragic.

I agree with you

it's just their point in the cycle. the saddest part is that they think they're enlightened when they're actually browbeaten hippy-child retards.

Cosmic!! Beam me up when its Spaceship Time!! X

just spring for the time travel update

thems fighting words!

Legend says 420 came about as it was the time (4:20pm) that college students in california would meet up to smoke after their day of studies back in the sixties/seventies.

Its been adopted by cannabis culture and used for a number of reasons. For example, someone who's looking for room mates who at least tolerate weed may say something along the lines of 'must be 420 friendly' in their ad. Go to any big park in a major city on the 20th of April 4/20 in US date format and you will likely come across a large gathering of stoners practicing their craft in celebration. This year we get to celebrate for the whole month of April (0)4/20(20) - Happy toking!

Thanks for that.
I was under the illusion that it meant 4:20 am, perhaps a time when stoners actually went to bed. I dont know where I got that from.

Wow that's pretty good dedication. I know if I got stoned in the morning before college then that would be me phased for the rest of the day. I may attend the lectures , but wouldn't take .much in lol

Does it mean we can smoke 4 times as much? Lol.

Ha; the old days; pre-mobiles... Make a phone call & wait for it to be answered. No answer. Wait. Phone again & wait for it to be answered. No Answer. Repeat; repeat; repeat. The phone is answered! "Anything?" "No" "Oh..." :-)

ll&p

Thanks for all the love guys put a real smile on my face when I saw the posts. A big thanks to my wife who looked after my profile for me and even me a order for me so that was nice to come home to that.

Mrs Spock now theres a series

Fully Vulcan

Hmmm there's logic there

Sounds like a keeper =)

She most defo is I'm lucky as fuck :)

All the best, man. May the Schwartz bit with you!

Hope you have been beamed out of hospital Spock?
Get out before the Corona takes over everything.
Get well soon mate.

@seno I'm all good now just got to watch my back with the covid 19 lol

Terrible to hear buddy. Hope everything goes well!

Sorry to hear bud, take care and we will catch up soon!

Sorry to hear that mate. Hoping for a speedy recovery.

I have researched this one a bit. 23 and me is pretty easy and convenient but it is incomplete and can be a little misleading. I suggest you get their test and then run your data through promethease for better insights. I'd be happy to help anyone that needs it.

Too right I recently got the result that I have a "32 percent increased chance” of developing Parkinson’s disease. Freaked me out for some time till I learned that means I have a 2% chance of getting the disease.

You don't need to bother with 23andme and their prices (several hundred bucks if I recall). If you are willing to share the data (and let's face it that's gonna happen anyway) you can get a free sequencing from the Personal Genome Project.

I don't see the grand alliances of the 20th century wars here. There are no 1st class powers ready to fight each other.

China and the US? China won't stop intimidating its neighbors and most of them are allies with the states.