I disagree strongly with the war comparison - that's not an example of a mutual effort, but the opposite: it's an example of large scale confrontation. People were called up to defend/attack from other people. MILLIONS of people died over YEARS.

This is a public health crisis, not a war. And the young haven't been called up, keyworkers, carers and health staff have. When I've been out and about with my family, it's fairly clear that the younger generations are the least bothered by what's going on, and aren't necessarily abiding by the guidelines to any effective degree.

And sadly, I don't think this is even something defined by the self interest of the ruling class. I think it's exposed the current ruling class is about as clueless as it ever had been. Johnson's flabby ensemble of random wankers have never at any point been good leaders. They got there off the back of a dishonest, divisionary Brexit campaign based on some entirely different agenda. They now have absolutely no idea what they're doing.

Hopefully it will serve as a reminder to humanity that if a democracy is to succeed, you can only back honest, able and skilled statesmen. Anyone less means we're fucked if there's any deviation from their intended narrative.

I don't blame anyone in this scenario. It's a collective human failure that it escalated to this scale. What I think matters now is the outlook, vision and ability of the leaders that might rebuild for the future. In 2019, world leadership probably never looked so weak... in the entirety of human history. And in the UK, we've currently got one of the most inept setups. BUT. Look at Starmer circling, look what we need to overcome, look what we want to build.

Give it a year or two and I think HOPE will be a usable word again. The Johnson/Trump/Bullshit breed need to move aside.

Yes but the fact that people are even looking to politicians in an era of science, free flow of information and consensus building media - why the fuck do we still have the twats?

THIS!

I know my case is extreme, but its not just old people who need protecting. My son is 2 years old and immunocompromised from chemotherapy. I don't fully believe in the lockdown but it is a bit more assuring for me that it isn't running rampant out there.

all the best to your son and thanks for your perspective

You definitely have a point.

The approach of "us-versus-them' is in fact a very European way of dealing with matters.

Indifference to social position, and consequently, acceptance of one's social status no matter what it is, became somehow a doctrine and a duty in the current world (if we are honest to ourselves): it is really the ideal philosophy, an ideological superstructure adequate to peacefully govern our world, conquered with its own consent.

'The old" send "the young" to wars. Because, "the young" (well, all ages really) willingly accept, for example, army duty.
It is only natural, that in current situation, "the young" are contemplating 'retaliation'. :)

I think, the value of a human life became something very insignificant.
Young people wait on the old to die in retirement homes, old are upset with the young, that they show no respect, etc.

A vicious circle.

And we do not really value human life, because we do not understand the concept of self-worth.
Which is nowadays confused with 'pouvoir d'achat', like they say in french (ability to buy). Just look at who the majority of humans are looking up to (movie stars, ufc fighters, etc.)

The thing is, we are never independent or self-made, and we all hopefully will be old one day too. So what connects old and young is gratitude.

No life is more important than another, whether it is an old life or a young one.
And no ideology or state will defend this point at all times, speaking sociologically or/and economically. It is self-damaging to an ideology or a state.

Should we or should we not do this or that? I don't know. Each individual should decide for himself.
I know that generalising (oh those olds, oh those youngs, oh those russians, oh those arabs, oh those french, oh those - would be an insult to my own intelligence.

A boomer is different from another boomer. And i am a survivor and want my children to be survivors too.

I may be never be in a position where i can decide on a broader scale of "should we or should we not".
But i can decide on my personal level and i just value life more than i value my ego.

Here is my humble opinion.

Thank you for being brave and raising this point.
It is important to discuss without fear to offend.
That is what freedom of speech is no?

Very thoughtful post (what a pleasure to read this instead of another sycophantic review), thank you for it my bigga.

I'm going to differ on one point. I think the perceived value of life is heading up and pretty much always has.

We are in the midst of the greatest human sacrifice for the least number of lives (in relative terms) ever.

Today's wars kill fewer in total than we lost in a week in WW1 or 2.

Murder rates are way down compared to history.

The financial investment made to squeeze out a few more years is more substantial than even our most recent ancestors could ever imagine.

There's lots more stats like this, they are hard to see when media profits from perceived conflict and makes everything look cataclysmic to get your attention.

Took the words right outa my mouth ;)

We need more youngsters in politics and less old farts creaming off the state. I think you reach an age when you start to become more selfish and want to accrue wealth. Bills and mortgages start to wear you down. I was definitely more idealistic when younger. We need to be a lot braver with who we allow to run the world and kick out the old guard. the youngsters are going to be paying off our debts for ever unless we change the system. Guy fawkes had the right idea.

I believe I am generation X but I will react anyway. It is an interesting discussion and I understand the thought behind it. The biggest issue I have with your statement is: what makes you think that older generations are not impacted by lock downs or other measures against the virus? Like we are all sipping whisky at our 2nd vacation homes. Your generation or any other is not sacrificing more then any other generation. Much love to you all

100 punks rule!

really i believe im the buzzcocks

Believe it, at least the buzz part.

I'm not old (38) and I very nearly got axed by COVID. I don't have a pre existing condition. It's worth considering that many young or younger people with pre-existing conditions are at high risk, as are the disabled and many mentally ill people. The structures of society also make sure that the poor are disproportionatily affected. So, what you're proposing, hypothetical or not, is a cull on the people in society who most need our support. And, I would add, people who add a huge amount of value to our societies. I am as annoyed by how our 'era' turned out as anyone, but putting boomers to death for the greater good? C'mon. Besides, the ruling class are not all old - they have children, who will inherit. Killing old (rich) people would do nothing for society. Advocating that other (poor) people's parents and grandparents have had their time is basically inhuman, or at least profoundly lacking in empathy.

Glad you are ok bigga and your message is hella important. Can I ask do you think there was a better way to handle this? Are you happy with the whole world shutting down to protect you?

love and respect

"happy" ??? what an awful, miscalculated question.

I don't want my parents to die any more than I want anyone else's, but the quality of life for the young is clearly being sacrificed again for the most protected generation that ever lived.

they're going to love the carousel

Logan's Run will always get an upvote from this bigga.

Great film......must watch it again soon

love this film :) I'm getting to a stage that I almost agree with it :)

Kind of irrelevant IMO because as a species we are all doomed anyway, which I'm OK with, but it's shame we're going to take most of the biosphere with us though, as it's really no fault of theirs. We are species out of control and one which is destroying it's environment. The planet will be much better of without us humans stinking up the place!

here's what im thinking, as long as when i'm burned for fuel a billion years from now there's this little bit of thc somehow left there all that time. and it says thanks, yeah, thanks, THANKS.

You'll have to send out the nurse on the Segway and take my teeth away!

Interesting read here

It is an interesting read. A prospective.

But, I believe what i see and I see a lot of tragedy.

It does seem if we were a little more honest about this we might come up with a better solution than locking everyone up.

Bingo!

Im in the self employed bracket its truly shit but i think society will come out of this better on the whole

I am in the same boat and i like your positive outlook.

"Have no fear for atomic energy
'Cause none of them can stop the time" - right?

We should also come out of this with as less damage and casualties as possible.

Been self-employed throughout 3 different continents and over a decade already and self-employed equals survivor to me at this point.

What if we just quarantine the old baby boomers and give them priority at hospitals, that way the rest of us can keep the world going and contsruct what they need.

Places should be open to people that are tested or recovered.

I’m out of job

I am sorry to read that.
Is being self-employed an option?

I was self employed hehe

I was in that small percentage who got no help lol and im sure i speak for many...

Unless i change my services...im hoping it blows over soon

Stay safe Vik

I see.

My family at the moment is throwing punches at the state mechanisms of supporting struggling businesses - we apparently fall into a category of self-employed families with children.

It's been already more than a month of letters' skirmish haha

Nightmare i know...

Im terrible with all that stuff it stresses me out

I need a secretary lol

Me too.
But i try to think of stress like of sore muscles after a workout. Eventually you surpass it and get used to it.

Sexretary is a good idea!

sorry for the typo. - secretary

I dont know man its easier to ignore it all hahahaha

Me too. My industry was among the first to go, About 2 weeks before lock down got told to stay at home no income... Now im out of a job completely.

It’s fucked up isn’t it, I’m in that small percentage of self employed who ain’t getting jack shit...I’d work tomorrow but not many want people in there houses now

We can only hope that this flys by and we can get back to work

Some sectors have increased in number of available positions, maybe worth looking into those sectors to get some work for the mean time

It is survival time at the moment. I like your attitude.

Im taking it as a holiday atm :)

Holiday - strategising and regrouping time!

Yes but dont give away the game plan lol

So sorry, fella. I hope something comes along soon.

This bigga booma had it 9 months ago. I have had my first shot of the vaccine just before xmas. Three weeks ago, we had an outbreak at work... forensic mental health. We kicked the virus' arse.

Not all boomers are bastards.

Disclaimer: if I am a bastard, it has nothing to do with my age. This old goblin girl has always been one. :-)

Neji
x

the boomers are the majority of voters i think so isnt it also a democratic move?

playing along with the existing system doesn't make them the real majority.

There are elements that are particularly cruel for young generations that have been caused by the benefits enjoyed by older generations. Retirement / pension age is the first to mind. We all retire later if at all because they fucked the pension pot for those claiming now. Housing and land are impossible to buy at reasonable prices, because the older generation owns it all. Wealth disparity grows with extended lifespans, as the elderly hold onto it instead of spending it. But these issues are not the fault of those older generations, but the governments modus operandi of dealing the better cards in the deck to those who can vote at the time and have money. Who cares about the generations that can't support government agendas right now? No one is the answer, and it has resulted in a shit deal for the young that will only get worse as time goes on.

The chant throughout this has been that you “can’t put a price on life” which is ridiculous because we do it all the time. The NHS will not buy expensive cancer drugs unless they extend life for ‘long enough’, councils won’t spend on accident hot spots until a certain number of deaths have been er...’achieved’?!
The equation is called ‘quality adjusted life years’ and it’s frequently used to decide cost vs life. That sum has now been done for the pandemic (freaky task) and yup, it doesn’t add up. The number of quality life years saved versus those to be lost through unemployment, poverty, undiagnosed health conditions, mental stress etc are insignificant.
We fucked up. But then we’re only human....

as a 51yr old father of 11yr old twins (one boy, one girl), and reflecting on how I have myself matured (lack of!) I can honestly offer an opinion that humans may be physically capable of sexual reproduction early mid/teens, but that doesn't make them adults. Likewise 20s and even early 30s. I was a selfish prat right up to having kids. Having kids completely changes your priorities and outlook, including CONFIRMING that kids are, literally, the future. So you're right about preserving the future for younger generations. BUT if adults don't become adults (really!) until they have kids, and human kids can't look after themselves, and anyway don't mature mentally til they have kids, we come full circle, that is why you need 2 generations minimum at the same time. HTH!

I'm 27 with baby number 2 due next month. My life didn't feel lil it had much meaning before becoming a dad, I cared a lot less about everything. As for Corona it's really not a big risk to a vast majority of the population. Most of the people dying are 80+. When the people who are 80+ were born their life expectancy was like 67. They've done well. I think all lives are equal but not all deaths are tragic.

I agree with you

it's just their point in the cycle. the saddest part is that they think they're enlightened when they're actually browbeaten hippy-child retards.

Agreed. I don't believe his intentions were malicious or anything but this just doesn't seem like the way forward

Also don't think a vendors union is needed.

However I do like Vikosh posts and updates about vendor sales and all that stuff.

Hope they still keep coming.

Me too, when I first started using LB I went straight to the vendor's lidt that he updates weekly. Made my life easier and from reading a lot of the posts Vikosh has made I honestly think he is a decent guy / gal but the Union just seems a little unecessary. Now, I could be completely wrong, I am not a vendor (just a regular customer) but the way Sidetracked layed it out it did seems a little......suspect? Like asking new vendors to come to him / her first, that just seemed weird to me but I haven't been here that long so I may be in over my head. I love this place and don't do social media so this is the equivelant of my Facebook (as sad as that sounds) lol. Any opportunity to keep this little gem running the way it is and I'm all for it, as most members are, or so I would think.

Agreed. Vikosh contributes a lot but I don’t think the vendors union is a good idea

I hope not mate. I would like to hear that from Vikosh himself.

I agree.. Can't let LB be subject to a communist takeover

or anything else for that matter...

I second this.

If this dumb idea gets any traction at all it will be thanks to you :)

That said I really appreciate you calling this shit out.

Vikosh I hope you stay around and learn from this.

What a compelling read ;)

Isn't it though? It's like we are too many people now to not divide along some axis. But who would have thought it would be this mini East vs West shit?

How come it has not been terminated yet there are plenty votes against it.

I've always wondered how the termination works because of the potential problems of a sock puppet army.

Then there is the conflict with the prime directive of do no harm. What if the termination causes harm or if the terminated party is not causing harm?

That said I think this union is one of the most fundamentally idiotic ideas I have seem thrown up on these pages.

If sellers can't handle the general public and what that sometimes means they don't belong here or in any open forum. An authoritarian solution is disgusting on too many levels to count.

That makes sense, how about a couple more theories:

1 LB is a little bigger now, so this isnt a quorum.

2 the bot doesn't function anymore, its builders gone etc. I don't see a lot of bots like this mostly borgs.

I have never seen so many votes against something and still be here

using the curly braces in the page name to make it look like an lb group is not a great look either. my bet is lb validated out curly braces in the actual name which is why there are square braces used there.

Comments getting removed :) :) this place cracks me up

Which comments mate?

Can’t remember now it was on this thread topic , completely gone with another comment not from me ,very strange , biggy world I soppose

Is Vikosh79 terminator bot by any chance? because this looks dodgy now it has 51 votes against it how many more does it need lol

What it needs most is a rebuttal, if you look at Vikosh's post he seems quite capable of this, he is actually an exceptionally thoughtful bigga.

I don't have enough to vote on, in the meantime this is a much healthier drama than ronald season 19.

Send a message to the borgs and see if you can find out, it seems I'm not able to.

How do you vote for termination mate?

Just vote this post up if you are for it, vote it down if you are against

That simple ay! Lol. I’m with you on this man. I don’t trust his intentions

He just keeps voting my posts down instead of responding, says it all really mate.

Yeah it does. You’ve caught him out in my eyes. I had no idea he sold buddy vendor packs. Sneaky.
He should be open and clarifying peoples worries if it was so genuine. For me it’s a complete conflict of interests anyway. No one person should have the power he’s trying to achieve on here. He’s already kind of getting away with it. With his only contact me shit. It’s not on.

So far THIS has been his only response. Doesn't really say much sadly.

You need a high end vape if you’re a regular user. Dynavap, Pax 2 or 3, Mighty or Nebula X would be my recommendation to you.

I had the same issue with my old vape. It had a huge bowl and took loads of weed to fill it. You'd get maybe 10 hits before it tastes like shit and that was .5 of a gram gone. I was getting through an 8th in like 2 or 3 days and not really feeling it that much. Smoking an 8th would last me a week. I was tempted to start smoking it again even though the Mrs hates it when I do. Lol.
I invested in a mighty. The difference is unimaginable. The bowl is about 1/4 of the size of my old one. Get maybe 10 -15 hits out of a bowl still and it proper fucks you. Yeah it's expensive but it's going to pay for itself with the weed I'm saving compared to my old one.
My advice, if you want to vape, get a top end vape. You really do get what you pay for.

Crank up the temperature ?

Weed too dry ?

You’re too hardcore?

Spliff is heavier in my experience if there’s tobacco involved


What vaporiser have you got?

Bruh...I smoke about that conservatively and for sure I can tell you it’s not that u are too hardcore for vaping just too hardcore for that vaporizer. All that cheap tech is garbage for those who appreciate it. Invest in the best bro you are going to be using it everyday for years pay how much you would spend on an ounce or about you know what I mean? How long will an oz last, it’s an investmentccs I used the old vapor bro’s model (not hands free and I love it just have to learn how to change the screen online but it gets hot enough to feel like I don’t have to smoke and nothing else not even their hands free model did that I think because they had to regulate the temp to prevent burning.

The best new new right now now though, Dynavape. My cousins who smokes at least as much as us says he’s in love and he tried all of them even the mighty by volcano. He said he uses .1 g at a time and blaaassts off. He said he got the button charger and it was worth it.

He just got the dyna and told me about it, I’m about to buy it myself, even tho I haven’t tried it, he has tried my vapor bro’s

Hey mate, your views are just as valid as mine and every other use to frequent this site, old or new.

I agree with you that if he isn't being disingenuous it's fine, however, one would think he would at least attempt to defend himself against such serious accusations. He has repeatedly refused to respond to the community. I know silence doesn't equal guilt, but how can we assume otherwise if he can't do something as simple as refute the accusations? I have to go with my gut on this one.

Booo! What a stupid idea.