Not being funny, I can buy these empty for $2.65 per pc. I've linked the site to buy them. 1 search on the fakecartridges subreddit has pulled up enough posts to let me know these are an unreputable BM brand. Loads of vendors are buying off vendors on other platforms, who ship these vapes in bulk from the US (where there are LOADS of fakes) and trick UK vendors into believing they have a legit product. They did it with the THC-O pens when they were made illegal, UK market was full of the stock they couldn't sell. Whatever they can't sell gets imported here or sold to people dumb enough to believe it. It might be the case that GC has been stung by a bad vendor for some fake vapes.

Just because it comes from USA doesn't make it legit, I know vendors who were shipping the fake Jeeter Juice straws from the US, plenty of idiots bought them. If you aren't making and filling vapes yourself with proper lab tested distillate and good terps, don't bother in my opinion.

SOTL

Same can be said for every brand.

Whatever brand you search for online will always bring back negative results due to there being so many fakes around.

However I’d rather be safe than sorry, I will pause this listing for now until I get further clarification on these.

People know how to spot the difference between legit dispensary vapes and fake branded vapes like these. The only trusted legit Cali vapes on here are from sayno2drugs which ship direct from LA

Direct from Vegas, via LA :D

Absolutely dude, I don't buy branded vapes of any kind as I smoke concentrates and weed. If I was going to make vapes, I would use lab tested distillate and high quality terpenes, it seems the only way nowadays if you want to sell people an authentic product.

I respect that you've made the decision to remove them, if you go look on reddit they're absolutely ripping into these, they've apparently come back for nicotine and delta 8 before which is mental!

SOTL

Vapes are also not really my thing.

I’m reading through plenty on Reddit now.

We know these are BM, but are we saying even the “genuine” FRYD vapes are trash?

If you search other BM brands too you will get similar results, a bunch of negative reviews heavily outweighing any positive ones due to there being so many fakes.

Can QR verification be faked?

Yes the listing will not go back up until I’m 110% certain on what the deal is with these.

(Nobody has ordered or been sent any of this yet)

Its best to avoid these brands in general, they aren't regulated and are EASILY faked. I would probably just take the hit on these, I wouldn't even push these on the street, I care about my customers health and wellbeing.

QR verification is easily faked and there countless fake vapes with fake QRs to match, I wouldn't worry though as you haven't sold any on here.

SOTL

I hear you.

I would also never willingly sell something that has any risk of harm to customers.

Nobody will be touching these until I am 110% sure about them. May look into getting them tested.

I appreciate you stepping in and bringing all this to my attention - it could have gotten very messy if I already sent some out.

I really love vapes, I think the fact that you can walk around have a little puff of a vape and the smell dissipates and you feel better is so much better than smoking.

I have tried over 30 types of vapes, carts etc from all over and also from here and I will speak from experience - experiences differ and I can’t speak for every BM cart but here are my findings.

Do not buy ANY Packman, Cake, Fryd, Chief vape unless there is absolute guaranteed proof it’s from a reputable US vendor.

I have had 2 x Packmans from vendors on this site (one off site but is a vendor here) and I promise you that both of them were not even remotely legit.

I was sent a Berry Payton one from a vendor to give a review, it was not weed. It was botanical tasting had no weed taste or smell and I believe completely dangerous, they’d already sold some and for some reason had good reviews on them. They took them off after I gave them the honest review.

The second one (lemon something) I still have, I was sent a Ccell with it which worked absolutely fine but the Packman smashed my lungs, was CRAZY lemon tasting (unnatural) and despite them claiming these were fully legit I just can’t see that being the case. I smell weed after a few pulls but it wasn’t getting me high.

I will NEVER buy another branded vape cart unless I end up going to America to try it. Vendors here make their own and they are fantastic, you run far too many risks getting a BM pen especially since you can buy clearly legit home made carts from vendors who genuinely care.

I’m not here to shoot down this specific product, if it’s good (and legit and worth the big price tag) then go nuts, but me personally I’d never ever buy another branded cart.

i also tested one of those berry payton ones and yeah, total garbage, with the quickest google search you can find all the parts needed to fake them from china including the packaging etc, thought it was smart of the vendor to send a few out for testing, they didnt stock them.

Thank you, looks like making them in-house with high quality product is the way to go for sure. 👍

Real experience there- thanks for sharing 👍

If you ever do buy branded again, Sayno2drugs is 100% legit. Shipped from US, with the tracking, takes a while, but at least you know its the real deal.

I find this public reasoned and reasonable interactions from 2 vendors (full disclosure: both of whom I've ordered from and flawless service from both) and the assurances very reassuring.

From my first interaction with GameChanger on a topic in the early hours of the morning they've been publicly and privately completely above board in anything they've posted or stated, and this just reassures me more.

Regarding carts though, I came to the same conclusion that SOTL has asserted that you're probably best off buying from people who test and produce. I'm still loving my 1st Biscotti 100% live resin cart which fits that profile. I bought it as it also looks really innocuous. Not only can these branded vapes be faked in huge numbers, but who do they appeal to as garish items often emblazoned with THC statements? I couldn't smoke this in a beer garden, really, could I? May have a few odd looks at least. The cart and pen is completely unnoticed. These alternatives must have an audience other than me or they wouldn't be so popular, and presumably so lucrative for fakers.

Lucrative for vendors too. How many LB vendors have fallen for this now?…it’s looking a lot like greed to me…

Vendors who list vapes like these know exactly what they are doing, and then act innocent when called out on it. Even if they wanted to list these for purchase, you still need importation proof and a genuine certification from the brand, now proof borg is on the scene

I hope you’re not talking about me there.

There’s nothing to “act innocent”about…

I paid a very high price for these and had no doubts about it being genuine.

Now with the information everyone has provided I’ve removed the listing, nobody has bought or been sent any of this.

We still don’t know if they’re genuine or not, there’s no way of knowing unless I get them tested.

Regardless - I’m never going to list any disposable vapes from now on.

There is no “genuine” Fryd. They are and always have been unlicensed, unregulated black market boof products filled with synthetic oils and other nasty ingredients

💥Boom!…

Oh yeah, I don't doubt that, but considering how quickly this was taken down this afternoon after SOTL's assertion I'd like to think that shows that wasn't the case here.

Vendors need to accept responsibility and do better due diligence before listing items on their stores…

Agreed.

As I said I had no reason to doubt the product, if I had picked them up for half the price that I paid, I would be more skeptical.

I can assure everyone this won’t happen again from us.

Hopefully never happens at all from any vendor 👍

I paid a genuinely high price for these, this product would be my lowest profit margin listing to date.

Then you got had, but you must have got a whiff of what’s been going on around here with fake vape listings surely?

Biggas need confidence that our vendors know enough about their products and suppliers to be 100% sure of what they are selling us. I know there is always an element of “buyer beware” (I wouldn’t touch a branded vape right now with a barge pole) but I don’t think it’s too much to ask that you have done all necessary due diligence including testing before listing….

I’m not too clued up on vapes, I was already aware of there being plenty of fakes around.

I was completely unaware of the bad reputation FRYD seem to have, at a minimum I should have researched this product more before I bought, and researched even more before I listed it. For this I can only apologise.

Appreciate you owning up on this, as others have said though this has happened multiple times this year with the exact same script.

At bare minimum I’d say, why didn’t you try it yourself? As I mentioned I’ve had 2 Packman vapes, tried them both and knew they weren’t weed. End of the day we all make mistakes but I do think absolutely all due diligence is meant to be taken by a vendor before they start advertising goods, even if you just buy a batch of ten and try one before ordering a load.

I can see why people may have jumped to those type of conclusions then. That’s fair enough.

Even if I were to try it, I wouldn’t know much about it. I’ve never vaped anything.

Again it’s no excuse, I shouldn’t try to sell products that I have little knowledge about.

Fair enough, I respect your attitude and owning it. There have been similar disputes in the past and sellers have been straight up dismissive and scummy and it’s lost them my business and other people’s.

Hope everything works out for you going forward.

Fryd have the worst reputation of any black market brand in the US. They have been shown to contain nothing that’s stated on the labels. Synthetic oils that make people feel sick 🤢

Them and Cake, awful reputations, both have failed multiple tests for pesticides too.

Cake ! Ha ha that was an epic brass eye wadn’t it

did you know Cake stimulates a part of the brain called "Shatner's Bassoon" and one young kiddie on cake cried all the water out of his body.

Where are you getting this information from?

Do a little research, you won’t find anything good said about these vapes. They are made with synthetic delta 8 and have failed numerous pesticide tests

“You won’t find anything good said about these vapes”

That’s not entirely true..

I’m also seeing people that say the “genuine” FRYD vapes are good, however there are a lot more people calling them out for being trash (again how do we verify who is talking about genuine and who is talking about fakes?)

Can QR verification be faked?

The entire subreddit is dedicated to calling out fake carts so it’s obvious most posts will be negative.

Look up other REAL brands and also BM brands - you’ll get the same results.

Problem with them, regardless of the fakes, is that unless it comes directly from them, would you trust something with such an awful name, that many of their vapes have failed lab tests because they had pesticides? Not worth the hassle. Pretty much, if it's a branded vape and it's on dhgate, generally avoid. Just make your own carts and trade in your name, like Dr Terpy, MJConcentrates, and others

I’ll have to look into that, as I said this is not really my thing.

I can source the things needed to make the carts and maybe just sell, or look into making them myself, or even both.

But I won’t be bothering with any branded or BM vapes anymore - seems like a lot of hassle.

Check those fake packaging websites. You’ll see they offer a QR option, and even scratch hologram security seals.

It’s mainly the QR thing that convinced me it was okay.

Feel very stupid now seeing how easily these can be faked.

I’ll stick to what I know 👍

QR codes can be faked, the packman I tested had a QR link to a legit looking website that said it was real, no code or information about the specific product and when I googled the Packman verification and link there was nothing, must just be a site they’ve made which is even worse because the product was absolutely not weed.