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NETWORK FEE'S

by Upton user 120

NETWORK FEE'S

Today - huge jump in fee's from yesterday...

What's going on?

Nesto420

Apparently it’s because of bitcoin NFT’s although they have been out for a while they are having a massive impact on the number of transactions on the blockchain at the moment , would be great if we had options to use other coins (just paid £17 fees for a £51 order)

RealD 9.8/10

Also due to BRC-20 tokens and probably some DOS attacks on the blockchain like last time back in 2018 (Blocksize wars).. this congestion is not as bad as 2018 Blockwars Graph wise.

Upton user 120

crazy...around 33%

I need to pay for something I've ordered but the fee's take me over my bitcoin amount, I can't transfer ( top up my wallet) from bank acc as my Mrs is on me !!...was going to be a double stealth order.... LOL

Jayjayseya

Fees have just dropped a bit $5 for $20 transaction 🙏🙏

Blazin_Esx

My Exodus fee keeps flipping from $32 to $19, looks like the fees are slowly improving but still too much for me to hit send.

This is the only time since I joined that going to my local connect would be easier/cheaper than buying from LB. However my weed budget is now in Bitcoin lol. I suppose there are worse problems to have.

ReefLostCause

i use exxodus and ive just triedto send some with a low transaction fee, if it doesnt send how long before i get the btc back?

Blazin_Esx

I’m not sure mate. I bit the bullet last night and paid around £10, and it went through in minutes. I’d normally wait until things calmed down but the weed jar is running low.

I think all orders on here auto-cancel after a few days if there has been no payment or nothing has been sent by the vendor. I’d have thought if it hadn’t been processed you’ll get your coin refunded.

ReefLostCause

cheers mate, think i'm gonna do the same as you and bite the bullet if it doesnt go through by tomorrow as i'm running low aswell

wheezebug

Bloody hell! Just got stung twice… transferring to wallet and then buying.
Wasn’t expecting the second one.
That’s me done for a while! 🥴😂

Upton user 120

bloody nightmare ...init..

wheezebug

Flippin is! Worked out like twice the regular cost. I hope it settles down pronto.

ilikebudz678

Some wallets like Exodus have a conversion feature, so you send LTC to your wallet then convert to BTC there. Saves you getting robbed on fees two times.

Upton user 120

nice tip Bro...

Upton user 120

bloody nightmare ...init..

pollypuff20

Still a massive (unprecedented apparently) backlog on the blockchain….

Upton user 120

Bit the bullet - had to add more coin to get the order through... I waited like 24 hours for the fee's to drop a bit.

Mrwig27

Reckon a USDC payment option might be the way forward

foggy1337

you can customize your fees on exodus wallet although it will take longer for the transaction to confirm

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on reference code support

How does it work?

great tip

+24.2

pinned

on reference code support

How does it work?

1 Just press "share" on any topic, person or item and you will get a link that you can share anywhere on the internet: on email, messaging or social nets.

2 Every new registrant landing here with your link earns you bitcoins - on every purchase they make here forever.

3 Come to transaxe.com and add a bitcoin address for us to send your earnings to (don't worry they gather until you do this). Look at your messages after you 1st press "share", we've sent you a direct link to your new transaxe account.

You'll be able to see every transaction that you made possible, including the public blockchain reference. It's completely auditable and despite the anonymity, it's the most transparent referral program on the internet.

+10.2

xs8

I've wrote a step by step guide for those who are having difficulties to understand how this does work :P

https://littlebiggy.org/link/NxV5u5

+3.5

thorne_kellie1977

https://littlebiggy.org/link/O6FuYI

Can anybody recommend a good place to share them to? I am a international finance director and I just can wrap my head around this!!! I just found a message from them from transaxe from a while ago about my reference code and I set an account up but now when I follow the link it brings me onto a register page but says I have already registered but there doesn't seem a way to log in.

+3.5

howlateisnow

social media, reddit, your contact list to name a few. you can share a post about economics, or a nice bit of hash depending on your audience.

the transaxe part is just about adding your btc address to collect the btc.

hope this helps.

+1.2

xs8

In order to receive money from the referrals, the ones who clicked on with must also be registered on LB and you'll receive a small % of the paid price whenever they place an order.

It is not enough just to share a link and wait for someone to click on it...

+2.2

m1ll0m1n4t4

so, you only get paid IF there's a transaction at the end of clicking on your shared link? What about if the user clicking is new to LB and then registers after clicking? The guide link you shared above is not opening for me... thanks!

+1.2

xs8

I don't think this does work if someone clicks before registering, it depends about how the administrators have built this system.

About the guide, yeah, looks like someone has deleted it, idk why, maybe an admin could give more info...

defnote

registration anytime after landing works fine.

+1.2

thorne_kellie1977

Thanks so much. I am on really strong painkillers atm nothing is very clear. I really appreciate your help

thorne_kellie1977

https://littlebiggy.org/link/pBncqs

I'm so confused ? ?

PieGirl

nice one harry

+1.2

budbotanist 9.7/10

https://littlebiggy.org/link/nU1MQR

Never though to add it as a weblink - lets see if i get the message. Thanks guys

+3.8

lettuceman 10/10

I've tried a couple of shares but no instant message for transaxe account?

+2.2

SteveFrench

https://littlebiggy.org/link/wiQA6M

Not sure if it does make an impact but I usually add the URL I want to share as a weblink (in the box under where you write the comment). As I've done on this post :)

Anon1385

You're better converting your link on a link shrotner website like Bit(dot)ly. Imo , it will prevent your refferal link being bypassed. If they see the website in the URL it can just be googled and your referral is missed.

+2.2

Mranped

https://littlebiggy.org/link/zGgV2n

You learn something new everyday, just tried this n it worked. Nice1

+1.2

Crosferatu

Aha!

tgm420 10/10

https://littlebiggy.org/link/HLUiAN

+1.2

Crosferatu

Same

Mrpolo87

What happens if you click on your own share link and order does that work?

MightyRux

Why don't you try it and find out?

+1.2

sputnik99

i cant even find "share" somebody please explain

+2.2

sputnik99

still cant find the
word "share" anywhere

+2.2

24601

here it it appears after "comment" for instance

+1.2

sputnik99

the only word i can see after comment is "edit" and that's after i've commented, the only other word i can click is "save"

+6.8

sputnik99

got there in the end.!!!!!!! after weeks of banging my head against a wall and doubting my own sanity I have finally sussed out the elusive "share" link. Despite the advice from others I just couldn't see the word "share" anywhere, People even sent screenshots as examples but the word "share" just wasn't there on my screen . I had just about given up ,,,,,and then,,,,,,I turned off my "ad-blocker" that was running in the background and ,,,,,hey presto the word "SHARE" has now appeared .....so if you are having the same problem try turning off ad-blocker..worked for me.

+2.2

dwarfedgiant

haha was great reading this thread.

TacoTemp

Well, this has been quite the roller coaster read! I am reassured that other people are as baffled as me at times by the LB message boards. I think its the fact there are no dates on posts that confuses me the most. Anyway. Now I know that both parties need to be registered I will get registered even if it means that someone else benefits from me clicking their link. (if I have got that bit right at least?)

+1.2

SENSEI

How do I get a bit coin adreess and stay semi anonymous please buddy

+1.2

Bigbum

How much bitcoin per click? Cheers

+2.2

howlateisnow

Its a 1 % of gross on every transaction,

"You'll also see that every transaction that you introduce including the blockchain reference. "

+1.2

Bigbum

Cheers

Dr Cala 9.6/10

https://littlebiggy.com/link/W0qk1I

Here's a simplified guide on how referral codes work:

Mortisha2001

https://littlebiggy.org/link/ZfeFxP

Checking to see if this works

https://littlebiggy.org/link/ZfeFxP

Mortisha2001

And it does - fab . Thanks

+0.2

transaxe support

Yes, they can go anywhere on the site or even leave the site and return and your introduction remains until they register.

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+1 votes

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on {crypto exchange guide}

Buying Bitcoins

I use it ... it works but transactions are traceable back to me ... so not anonymous.

-1.8

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Buying Bitcoins

There's plenty of room for opinion that's what the comments are for :)

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+5.2

Shroom Of The Loom 9.7/10

https://littlebiggy.org/link/yjWADV

Hello everyone,
I made a topic with up-to-date, non-KYC, anonymous options to purchase Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies. Hopefully this can help a few people purchase crypto with less hassle.

SOTL

+4.8

cheeching

Seems I can only buy £100 at a time now on coin base….wtf ! If there is more of a crackdown , whats the alternative…..if we can’t use BTC?…what is LB going to do to deal with these changing times

Backwoods1999

Try to make a purchase and ur limit willl increase (just don’t fully put the payment threw)

cheeching

Seems to not be the case anymore. Coin base is working for me for the time being

2Stoned2Care

I use revolut as my only bank account. no need for a physical bank account,because i have a mastercard with them,all my earnings are paid into revolut,and did not need any photo id.I buy my bitcoins from them and then transfer them to my exodus wallet.fees are really low also :)

Ladycoconut78

Is Exodus an Apple only product? Not seeing it in Play Store.

Possibly just blind

+0.5

RobDj79

Do I need to send to a wallet with Revolut? I've just opened an acc just to buy btc 🙃. Can I send straight to vendor?

+3.2

GnuBoarder

I’ve done same w/ Coinbase - bought bc & sent straight to vendor. I do have a Coinomi wallet but haven’t used in ages. Only concern is I haven’t submitted a wallet address in case of dispute/refund. Don’t know where to do that, I’m little new to LB/Transaxe & unfamiliar w/ the proper process. Any advice from others would be appreciated

ReefLostCause

never send straight to vendor, get a bitcoin wallet

Backwoods1999

Why? Does anyone official actually care about 2dbp? Unless it large selling qualities

ReefLostCause

yeah your bank!

+3.8

Redcowie81

I have a wallet with coinbase can I us this to send bitcoin to vendors on lb

bpwmemmott

I use coinbase with no issues whatsoever

robbz1990

Yes I normally use coinbase to send to sellers

jayspadez 8.2/10

Anything other than blockchain, right bunch of pisstakers they are

TazToker

They've stopped allowing BTC purchases from the UK

+2.8

ReefLostCause

Does anyone use Paxful? theres sellers who want paypal as payment method and i'm wondering if its legit? the exchange rate is 99% on some offers that would save me a lot of money as i have no ID and being using coincoupon at £15 fees for each buy!

Bonjela88

Yeah paxful is good to buy from just buy from sellers with lots of good reviews as some want more money than you sent nd agreed upon but it is overall good

de tok

It's a danger zone for sure but a very strong rep helps, take it slow

+2.2

illirum

Btw. Ive been using the plain blockchain wallet for two years without any issues. Least hassle wallet Ive seen! And since I wont upgrade my OS on my mac its one of the few I can actually use. Just sayin, cause Ive seen how it is hated upon on the net. Guess its the competition that spread this lie.

aiqaramba

Holy cow - bitcoin is effing complicated. It's not just setting it up, it's all the fees that get added here and there. Wallet, exchange, verification - and then when you take the leap you discover a UK credit card purchase gets you a 24 hour cooling off. WTAF?
I guess it's just the first transaction but even so.
There should be a really simple guide here, step by step and list a few wallets and a few exchanges. So many searches to figure it out and going round in circles.
I was gonna recommend the thing to my mates but they won't have the patience.
Yeah sitting out my 24 hours now.

aiqaramba

well I did it - all through Exodus, dunno if rates good or not but whatevs. Avoid Paybis, bank accepted it but Paybis rejected every time

Tonynicho

When I try pay from my wallet its asking for a fee ,not letting me .tried all options. Any help appreciated

+2.2

pollypuff20

How much do you have in your wallet?….if it’s less than the total with fees it could throw up an error🤔

Tonynicho

I didn't have enough in the wallet. Sorted it .thanks

pollypuff20

Cool😎….hope you enjoy your order👍

illirum

Exchanges still cant beat the price of btc I get on localbitcoinsdotcom. The only hassle is I need to order btc and go to my local national financial agency and pay a money transfer slip with cash. Thats not a prob tho, cause the teller is a very nice looking woman :P And btc is in my wallet in 3-6 hours after I pay.

Gunga Din

Can I ask, does 'local national financial agency' roughly translate to the Union in the West or something similar?

illirum

It will depend on which country you are in. Look for the bank that is managing the most business in your region...

Gjohal1

Seen this on one of the other platforms not sure if 100% correct but I would be wary of coinbase they are very intrusive closed my account a few months ago. They give details to HRMC depending on whether you’ve spent over the threshold limit.

Ladycoconut78

Bustards charged me 35 dollars fee for sending. Was under pressure so had to accept. Good shout though

Kingerlini

Closed my account last week too.

What do you use now? Cos this is ruining it for me right jow

Gjohal1

Allrite I use bitpanda now so far so good no problems.

Worlddofwarcraftguy

Can someone help me. I’m struggling like mad, iv had my ID rejected at two different exchanges now. All I’m trying to do is order

TeesideFella

I have the exact same problem, I open an account and send ID for verification but after days of waiting I get rejected. Really need to buy of LB but can not get around the BTC issue

TeesideFella

Finally just got message from.coinbase that I am now verified, will try first top up in morning as I think fees should be less. Then Will make my first purchase of a Oz of hash from lb

fishlord

Just gone to pay for an order and Bittylicious will only let me buy a MINIMUM of £100 worth of BTC. Anyone else experiencing this? I'm fully registered and have purchased before!

Kalex

https://ycharts.com/indicators/bitcoin_average_transaction_fee

Yes it’s for everyone, it’s because Bitcoin fees are through the roof at the mo and they are trying to negate the effects. They peaked Tues and seem to be dropping but not yet close to what everyone is used to - I expect it will be several days at least until they remove the restrictions

robbz1990

Can you use binance to pay sellers?

+2.2

cmd92

You can, however the network fee for BTC is currently £21.... 😔

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+1 votes

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Sleepyjesus

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jsa91827

I’d be happy to leave a review, i’m a big fan of LR carts 🤤 and i’ve been getting into the reviewing recently too!

Always on the hunt for some good LR carts on here these do look tasty i must say 😋

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Sleepyjesus

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Boooba

Feel free to give it to Sleepy! I don't mind, and I wouldn't feel right taking it after passing up on the offer anyways.

Boooba

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Sleepyjesus

Ahh thanks homie, just sent you a message!

beakytzw

I have done a few reviews, so if no one claims it, I will "take one for the team" ;)

Cartpolice

Fake as fuck, who knows what's in them. Packwood X Runtz don't make a vape

Boooba

I think we all know it’s homemade he’s not exactly advertising it as real, and the price reflects it. Imo 🥳

Asclepius

I love carts bro we welcome you love, these carts also look sexy

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on Distilate Carts 9.9/10

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on Distilate Carts 9.9/10

Best battery

Looking for a new battery for my mj carts. Any recommendations?

turnip hunter

I started off using a regular vape mod, but brought one of MJ's Yocan Kodos which is much better suited to the job - cheap, easy to use, and consistent (doesn't look like they're currently listed though). The key is getting a device that fires low voltages (3v or lower). The wife uses an Eleaf iStick Mini from eBay which works well for her. Hope that helps a bit :-)

Dorsoda4300

Yocan Uni Pro is my go to. Small & cheap but by far the best vape I've ever used for carts couldn't recommend it enough after trying so many shitty cheap pen batteries.

stevelfc2006

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+6 votes

on tescrow 9.7/10

$20 Special Sample Testing offer w free delivery 👌

whoop whoop - yeah! + 2 more

on tescrow 9.7/10

$20 Special Sample Testing offer w free delivery 👌

To build up reviews on the new squidgy dark hash I’m doing a limited time offer of 2g for $20 with free first class delivery! Already got a few sample orders ready for delivery tomorrow afternoon, get your order in before 3pm to ensure same day dispatch! All the best, Tescrow Team ❤️

tescrow 9.7/10

Well you’re in for a treat 😏 just smoked a j of this myself and was flying haha also the reviews have been great so far so let me know what you think once you’ve smoked one 👌

eybic

Looking forward to trying it out 👍🏻

tescrow 9.7/10

Look forward to serving you :) we’re still operating as per usual so feel free to get your order in at your earliest convenience

eybic

Lovely product, very quick delivery and brilliant stealth. If you like hash then don't hesitate.

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+2 votes

on tescrow 9.7/10

LB.org down - business as usual

YES : Just ordered the tester deal...Cant wait - hopefully you may throw in extra gram :) Top man!!

on tescrow 9.7/10

LB.org down - business as usual

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All the best,
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Construct

mate they have moved to .com

tescrow 9.7/10

Nice one for letting me know mate, wasn't working for me earlier but just tried it now and it works a treat

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+3 votes

on Justweed 9.6/10

Giveaway time!!!

og kush : 16 days

+15

on Justweed 9.6/10

Giveaway time!!!

1. Guess what the strain name of this plant is and you will get 4 cartridges (1 of each strain). And a 3.5g topshelf strain of your choosing!!

2. First one to guess the age of the plant to the exact number of days and you get 28g of shake and a 1ml cartridge of your choosing!!

:) happy guessing
___________________________________
Timestamp: 23/02/23 @ 00:57am
___________________________________
Giveaway ends on 02/03/23

Goodluck

Shroom Of The Loom 9.7/10

Be here all year if you want people to guess the name 🥴 isn't it better to do a random number generator so everybody has a fair chance of winning? Just a thought.

Good luck everyone, nethertheless!

SOTL

TheDazzler

Agreed

But I think that’s the point. More guessing = more traffic and on the topics longer.

That’s not a moan but not bad idea for exposure and the winnings are not to bad either.

Justweed 9.6/10

If anyone doesnt do it then ill run the random number generator. But also its a guessing game, gets people thinking and utilising some degree of knowledge to guess the age of the plant.
Thank you for the advice :)

Chris13

18 days -zoap

Justweed 9.6/10

You guessed the strain name.
You win the first part of the giveaway!!!!🥳🥳

Zoap is the strain of that plant.
You win 4 carts /1ml cartridge each and a 3.5 of apple and bananas, unfortunately we just ran out of gush mints.

Message me to claim the winnings
Congrats 💚💚

Chris13

Thank you bro im buzzin.

Burgle89

I’d have a close look at that baby aswell she looks like got a pest problem with the white dots showing on the lower fans, mites or thrips

Justweed 9.6/10

Defo will check it out.. wow thats a good eye you got if thats the case.

Burgle89

Yeah check it out, hopefully isn’t but better to be safe and find them early before they take over.

Justweed 9.6/10

we checked it and turns out it was limescale from our peoples not using RO water and slacking off. they used tap water to water down foliage and it dried up leaving limescale behind, good spot on your behalf.
Much appreciated :)

Burgle89

Ahh good news mate, just thought I’d give it a mention just Incase and it mess your crop up weeks down the line.

tnicho

Zkittles
18days

ZoonLess

Guava
16 days

Backwoods1999

17&no idea 😂😂

Justweed 9.6/10

You have guessed the exact age of this plant.
You won the 2nd part of the giveaway🥳🥳🥳

You win 28g of shake and 1ml of your choosing.
Please message me to claim your winnings.
Congrats 💚💚💚

Eddys Edibles 9.6/10

Gush mintz day 35✌🏻

BBDoom

18 days,
GSC
Many thanks JW!👍

angaxiLB

I'm going for King Louis XIII at 24 days.

Cheers.

winston

Cherry tomato. 50 days.

AwsomeAndy

Banana Runtz and 34 days 👍

motocross

Purple punch - 33 days. Cheers for the giveaway!

Bruiser

Cheese. 30 days

Heatedmeatballs

Gelato 41
21 days.

Greeneyez

Super silver haze

24 days

Cheers!

TonyJim

Chemdawg
13 days
🤞🤞

Cakes

Let's guess 30 days, sativa and could be Hackberry

Coldo420

Gorilla glue 13 days

Wifftat

Looks like a ruderalis indica
I’d say Northern lights 12 days

bbbbb

Gelato variant? 26 days

alexjames1

Zkittles 25 days

VainCai

22 days purple punch.

Blazin_Esx

Cookie Dawg
29 days

Beattyballs

wedding cake, 11 days

stickygreenfingers

Amnesia 21 days

tnicho

Grape ape
19 days

Beattyballs

King Louis and 30 days

raw_2018

Guava chemdog, 12 days

Nefeng

Limelatti
27 days.

Whiz420 10/10

Blue dream, 15 days

zahir

1) Gelato

2) 28 days old

crohead9182

White Runtz - 32 days

Borislips

Cereal milk.
Day 34

TheGasMan

1. Gelato

2. Day 21

2nani

Jack herra auto
16 days
👊👊👊

Redeye jedi

Northern lights 14 days

eybic

Zkittlez

26 days

Want1

27 Days

Gorilla Glue

Mornin_Brew

Northern Lights 26 days!

Burgle89

Rainbow belts 21days

slink2

34 days old, autoflower, ruderalis cross?

NM18

Bubblegum 22days 🙌

Snowy1980white

Wedding Cake
20 days & counting

gmm45

Biscotti
16 days

Jason4

Sour stomper 13 days

vixi

Northern Lights, 2 weeks

yam1977

How many guesses?

Justweed 9.6/10

1 guess please

yam1977

Ganja 26 days
Cheers

Zigbull!

Ice cream cake
28 days

trash00002

Strain - Gary Payton
Age - 21 days

ilikebudz678

Strain; Stardawg
plant age; 23 days
thanks bro!

Flyingscotsman

Gush mintz

15 days

SG1234

17 days
Skywalker

tazazaz

Strain: Runtz
Age: 13 days

complete guesses lol good luck everyone hope I win :)

bevbevan1

RS 11
30 days old

Mcfly369

25 days.
Wedding crasher😉

Gudgiemuzz

Gary Payton 29days

voidwalker

Holy grail 23 days

SHURLAY

Gelato
21 days

send01

Wedding cake, 26 days

LoudBuds 10/10

13 days

Crispyroll420

15days white widow

dwarfedgiant

Guess the strain?? Well...........🤷‍♂️ erm......Jack Herer.

Age? 27 days.

xtc101

runtz
19 days

Flyingscotsman

Are you counting from when you planted it or when the seed burst through . Or when u potted the seed in the medium . Many factors at play could determine the age . Good luck guys .

Justweed 9.6/10

From sprout to current age :)
Good thinking

Chris13

could go to the guess with most votes.

Justweed 9.6/10

THE WINNERS HAVE BEEN ANNOUNCED!!!!

CONGRATS TO THE LUCKY WINNERS 🥳🥳🥳
PLEASE MESSAGE TO CLAIM THE WINNINGS, READY FOR TOMORROWS DISPATCH!!

@CHRIS13
@BACKWOODS1999

The strain is Zoap and the age was 17days.